Nazi to Grifter pipeline still operational

https://nriglobe.com/news/global-nri-news/nri-commentator-pinesap-fired-after-defending-fascism-in-viral-jubilee-debate-with-mehdi-hasan/

The Jubilee episode pitted British-American journalist Mehdi Hasan, renowned for his incisive debating style, against 20 self-proclaimed far-right conservatives, including Estelle. The discussion tackled divisive issues such as U.S. immigration policies, President Donald Trump’s leadership, the role of the U.S. Constitution, and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Estelle, using his online persona “Pinesap,” emerged as a lightning rod when he unapologetically embraced fascist ideologies during a tense exchange with Hasan.

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Estelle further advocated for autocracy over democracy, arguing that the U.S. Constitution should be amended or ignored when it “fails to serve us.” When challenged on whether Democrats could similarly disregard the Constitution, he replied, “Absolutely not,” exposing inconsistencies in his stance. His comments, coupled with his refusal to unequivocally condemn antisemitism, fueled widespread condemnation online, particularly among NRI communities who viewed his rhetoric as a betrayal of shared values.

In the wake of the episode, Estelle announced on X, under the handle @FeelsGuy2003, that he had been fired from his role at VeUP Ltd, a tech firm with operations in the U.S., UK, Europe, and the Middle East. Claiming his termination was due to “political discrimination,” he launched a GiveSendGo fundraiser to support himself, alleging financial hardship. However, investigations by online sleuths have cast doubt on his narrative. A Threads post alleged that Estelle’s employment history was fabricated, with no verifiable evidence of his role at VeUP Ltd. The post further linked him to white nationalist Nick Fuentes’ network since 2022 and a fringe group dubbed the “Remilia cult,” purportedly connected to Elon Musk under the alias “Timeless Martian.” These unverified claims have intensified scrutiny of Estelle’s motives

Figures Pinesap would be lying about his life. If the right can't expose conspiracies they form secret societies and make conspiracies. They yearn for secrets like Michael Scott wants to be included in an inside joke one day. Just desperate to be special and mad at everyone else that they aren't.
Here's the relevant clip https://files.catbox.moe/n5z0k1.mov
- quite frankly
What are those NRI communities referenced? I don't think that I'm familiar with the term.
- Guessing it's like sovereign citizens? They sometimes claim imagined tribal membership to argue their immunity from the law.
  Huh, no. Apparently he says he's of Indian descent, as I read the definition. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/travel/things-to-do/understanding-the-difference-between-nri-non-resident-indian-and-oci-overseas-citizen-of-india/articleshow/107798608.cms
thats exactly what we see. we can ignore the constitution, how dare you ignore the constitution. we can eliminate everything you put up, you can't just get rid of the things we put up. How can they avoid cognitive dissonance.
- This video is a very good view into the values of the right: they're not hypocritical at all. They genuinely believe that they have the right to rule based on who they are.
  They are not conflicted about this at all; they believe that bad things happen because the wrong people are in charge. That's what they actually mean by criticizing things like DEI: the wrong people have been installed in the halls of power, and they seek to "correct" it.
  There is no cognitive dissonance to solve for, because they do think that they should be treated special based on who they are. They sometimes co-opt the language of the left, but they don't believe it; it's merely a way to communicate to the unwashed masses that their concerns are being heard.

That crowd let him go for so long before flagging him out. The dude who started to think that maybe Mehdi had a point got yanked real fast.

Nazi support got laughs and side eyes, the visage of learning and thought got immediate red flags.

Thought termination is more of a reflex to these right-wingers.

"It's too hard to contemplate ideas that challenge my world-view. Guess I'll just carry on being a piece of shit!"
- More than that: someone else contemplating ideas is something to silenced and stopped. It isn't enough to just be a piece of shit: others must be kept shitty.
They did this on the 1 doctor vs 20 anti vaxxers. People voice their concerns and something that happened to their coworkers father in law and then they get voted out

"My political belief is murdering 6 billion people"

Reminds me of that joke
"omg I was fired because of my political beleifs"
"oh no, what beleifs?"
"right wing"
"like lowering taxes? Reducing the deficit? Family values?"
"no...."
"which ones?"
"you know which ones...."

Oh no, he gets to experience what many others have been experiencing their entire lives.

I work at a company where coworkers have joked about building drones to spray pepper gas at protestors. I let the joke land, smile politely, and move on.

I'm an atheist and have never mentioned this fact to the guy who hired me, because he's very religious and wouldn't have hired me.

I'm poly and I don't talk about my relationships, because they'd probably fire me at some point due to "a bad cultural fit."

There are only two other liberals at my company- one of them is doing the slow lefty dance that you do when you work in the deep south. You watch people's reactions as different topics come up in conversation, you make little jokes that can be taken multiple ways, and you slowly open up to the people that you're absolutely certain you can speak to safely.

The other is the daughter of the COO. She can wear her hair shaved up the side, or put a rainbow pin on her laptop bag. My lefty dance partner and I have to wear polos and conservative hair styles.

So, in conclusion, go fuck yourself.

Maybe he can get a job at jubilee, their staff apparently fills in when they can't find enough ~~right wing~~ openly neo-nazi trolls

I noticed a Jubilee thumbnail sometime in the last year, and seeing the total lack of congruence between their tagline and titles, immediately came to the conclusion that it's right wing rage bait propaganda for liberals. All of the clips I've seen have only proven that.
It's a fuckin clown world circus, and I'll never give them views.
- They are great at distributing selective edits of all their episodes to right, middle and left, each of which are presented with radically different takes on how the episode unfolded and who "won."
  It's more mindless, deeply unserious griftonomics being fueled far more by the right and reactionaries than making any attempt to provide viewers with a coherent narrative or values.
  I would be happy to never see another Jubilee clip. I think a few people did fantastic on there, even unedited, like Mehdi or Sam Seder, but I much rather see either of them in an actual debate or even just delivering essay materials or commentary where they can get credit for how they actually changed minds or challenged narratives. (Not that I think debate even exists as a concept anymore, but anything is better than this bad-faith circus.)

That episode was fucking crazy. The dude in the pic straight up said he was a fascist. Another guy said that the first white people to come here and their descendants are native americans.

"Traditional right wing political views" == "autocracy". His words. He wants a fascist dictatorship and the elimination of free speech. Again, his words. I'm shocked that his employer didn't want to continue associating their company name with him.

Unfortunately voicing fully legal traditional right wing views results in real consequences.

Closer but no banana.

Hate speech might be legal but it does have real world consequence.

Maybe I should stage a video with a Black friend to scream racist obscenities at their child while a third friend records and shouts me down. Then it can go viral and we can split a few hundred thousands dollars between us when I post a funding round claiming to be the victim.

Not really. I'm just commenting on the ludicrousness of this racket.

I'm honestly tempted. I know someone that does movie masks like mrs doubtfire which has led me to have a bit of a fixation on them but I know a few people that would be up for doing one or two of these a month

Expressing Nazi/Autocracy views from a position of influence should be illegal. Simple as that. He's getting off pretty easy here.

Man..... We need to start contacting these shithead's local bishops and petition them for excommunication. Honestly not a good look for the Catholic church to be primarily associated with pedophillia and neo-nazi. Maybe the new pope being from Burger Land will motivate them to clean up their American franchise?

Hahahahaha get rekt fascist idiot

Yeah, but he got 15k for it. No doubt he'll be offered other well paid gigs as well, if he's half coherent on grifty podcasts...
At the same time, I think the donations made him more money that I make in a year (I'm not from the us so I'd need to do a few conversions to make sure)

I'm going to try ðis. I'll have to lie, since I'm not a conservative, but ðat'll only be in alignment wiþ conservative values.

I could use $15k donated by idiots.

You'd need to go to a talk show and spew ridiculous fascist bullshit without laughing tho. Seems kinda hard.
- I tried to write someþing, and didn't get very far before being overwhelmed by how crushingly paþetic it felt.
  I guess ðere are some þings I won't do for money.
i approve of the use of eth and thorn in English but i think with should also be written with eth.
- I miss some.

I hate that we keep rolling the dice on platforming these out-and-about fascists.

I understand that there are some that will be so disgusted with seeing this spoken out-loud that they'll solidify their resistance to fascism, but there's always this small chance that there will be more people attracted to fascist political movements than repelled from them.

I don't feel like I have a good handle on the overall sentiment in reactionary-coded spaces to say for sure, but jesus christ does it make me nervous whenever I see these clips go viral.

This is how I feel about all the subreddits and communities here that aim to post right wing content to either make fun of, get the word out, or just display the depravity of the right wing. Just because you added a title that's mocking a fascist tweet, and the community is speaking out against it in the comments, doesn't change the fact that you're increasing the spread of filth. That post is getting more and more eyes on it than it would have if nobody had engaged with it at all. We're spreading their propaganda for them.
They do this shit to "trigger the libs" and seeing their racist diatribes being spread on social media is exactly what they want. Hell plenty of news and media broadcasters do this too. Twitter posts are referenced in articles and on TV all the time.
I get it, we need to be aware of these freaks and stand up against it, but I'm conflicted because we're inadvertently helping them reach a larger audience.

I’m sure the Trump administration is trying to figure out a role they can hire him for. “Hey, we hired another literal nazi” would be a great distraction from the Epstein business.

Should have said the N word or quoted the 14 words. Would have gotten more money.