Bernie Sanders says President Biden will win in 2024 if he runs on a "strong progressive agenda"

They don't like Joe Biden because he doesn't pick losing fights on principle, in general, and because they don't want to admit that the primary process on the left actually does select for the strongest candidates.

I get it. I feel the same way at least emotionally. But $1.3 trillion dollars towards climate change and what is almost certainly the most important climate bill ever passed in the world so far is really hard to argue with.

I would like him to stand up and advocate for court reform. We need to strike while the iron is hot and people are seeing the Supreme Court for the corrupt political institution it always has been. He's backed down with very little fight on a couple of the things they've pulled lately when the Trump Administration would have just kept hammering on passing the exact same laws with tiny changes until they accept it. For example, the opinion on that student loan relief case made this incredibly idiotic argument about how the HEROES Act doesn't give permission for partial waivers because it only allows a modification or a full waiver and the partial waiver apparently doesn't count as either of those. I think you should have just come back and said well all right then, full waiver and total jubilee. That probably would also have been struck down but it would have really shown how vapid and hypocritical the court was.

The word neoliberal has basically lost most meaning. But everything they accuse Joe Biden of being are things that describe Joe Manchin. The guy who singularly keeps killing Progressive legislation put forward by the Biden administration.

He's also yet to declassify weed even though he carrot on a sticked it leading into the general and then again before primaries. He could do it any time and has not.

living wage would be cool

Then he should do that. Then, if he doesn’t uphold his promises, we can hold his corpse accountable.

If neoliberalism means massive state intervention in investment activities, and putting up trade barriers, then the word has no meaning.

The dems pulled the dirtiest tricks to kneecap bernie

This was, of course, documented in the Wikileaks e-mails, whose contents were largely ignored by the mainstream media.

I've yet to see any evidence that there was some orchestrated agenda against Bernie. Sure, all the moderates probably did drop out so that moderate Biden could win against Bernie. What's wrong with that? Isn't that sort of implicitly how it works and should work? They made a choice that sacrified their own candidacy for the sake of advancing their policy goals (through Biden).

Nor have I seen any evidence that the DNC orchestrated some sting against Bernie in 2016 - the most that ever came out of that leaked trove of DNC emails were some DNC staff saying they wanted Hillary to win - not that they were going to take any action to make that happen.

If it was trump v Bernie we would still have president trump right now. I’m in GA and there is basically not a single Bernie voter here. And as we all know ours and other swing states were key.

Bernie had a surprising turnout, and the Dems had to pull all the stops to prevent him from being the front runner. Meaning something in the ballpark of a quarter of Americans who actually bother to vote were supporting him. Far from a majority, but to your point, it's a big and growing political force.

But I think the point stands that they aren't likely to swing a general election. Progressives (those that actually vote at all) are almost certainly going to vote for Biden regardless how how much he panders to them. This election will be decided by a fairly small number of centrists and moderate Republicans that may have been alienated by Trump who happen to live in swing states.

Unless, of course, Biden does something monumentally stupid and pisses off the progressives so bad that they are willing to risk another Trump term and vote 3rd party, which seems unlikely.

I'm trying to follow your logic. How does other candidates dropping out on Super Tuesday screw Bernie? Those voters didn't vote for Bernie.

You don't know anyone who doesn't vote for the same party in every single election? I know several, and my wife and I decide who to vote for each election based on their platform and track record rather than the letter next to their name.

As well as mandated increasing federal fossil fuel extraction leases many times over before beginning any expansion of renewable energy.

It's amazing how neoliberals will just blindly believe the propaganda of Politico, NYT and WaPo 🤦

You know what's easier than buying old politicians with track records? Buying young outsiders with no record that can just say what you want to hear then pass bills written by lobbyists.

Oh fuck. He got us. Turns out there's nothing wrong with any of them at least partially due to their age.

Sure thing!

I hope the incumbent democrat wins because otherwise, if a fascist won that would be terrible.

Hope that helps!

They don’t exist. Not in politics, at least. All we get are crooks and 80 year olds.

In a real way, both major parties are still fighting out the battles of the civil rights era, and are effectively led by people who came of age then. Unfortunately, that they (or their ideas) are still running the show in the way that they are means both parties are stuck in a particular past, forever trying to avoid the calamity they're fighting to un-do

The GOP's leadership is fighting like a wounded animal to un-do desegregation and Roe, and to dismantle voting rights and industrial regulation

The Dem's leadership have spent decades fighting super-hard to prevent their voters from advancing progressives out of primaries and into general elections. McGovern's loss in 1972, they think, is forever evidence that progressives can't win and their subsequent curb-stomping of progressives (denying them party support, fighting hard to prevent them from winning primaries) serves as evidence to their way of thinking that 'progressives can't win'.

That this last bit (progs can't win, never mind we make sure they can't, so you have to vote for what wins or else all is lost) begs the question it pretends to answer seems pretty obvious to me. It has the same energy as saying 'socialism doesn't work' and then pointing to socialist governments that 'didn't work' because CIA ran coups to depose them and replace them with right-wing dictatorships. Of course these things don't work when you kill them off, the whole argument becomes self-fulfilling and circular.

Yeah, because you can't possibly criticize a conservative neoliberal like Biden from the left 🙄

He’s got ballot access in 17 states and is getting more. He’s polling at 4%. He’s real.

Think. Deep down, you know.