skill issue

it's also far less unskilled than people assign credit for. all work is knowledge work

I feel like, especially here in the US, what unskilled means has changed to “any job that doesn’t require a college degree”.
We seem to have almost completely forgotten about apprenticeships and similar career paths.

I vote we call them 'core contributors' from now on.

I rememebe when they were called them heroes during covid, but received no increase in pay and were treated like shit again the moment the vaccine existed.
- ah yes, you helped save society from collapse. Here’s a gold star and a rent increase. Thank you!
Yeah, it's also interesting that we almost never say "skilled work". It's just work vs. 'Unskilled'. Might as well just stop with the division (which is only useful to billionaires and people in finance). Divide and conquer, I guess...

It's only really a measure of how easy you are to replace.

Skilled or unskilled. If you do a full day's work, you should be able to support yourself and family.

We should also take care of those that are unable to do so.

No labor is unskilled it's classist bullshit to make us think we're better than each other. Farm work especially so since there are weird local tricks for local planting styles and crops.

Skilled labor refers to jobs that require certification and training that imply specific distinct skill sets. For example if I tell you Im a mason, a plumber, or a radiologist you know exactly what my skills are.

Unskilled labor jobs are not jobs that lack skills rather they are the roles whose titles do not imply specific skills, tasks or educations. Im a wine importer what does. that tell you about what I know or can do? Can you tell my skill at say driving a forklift from that title?

Unskilled labor doesn’t mean you have no skills

Which is exactly the point of the post: there is no such thing as unskilled labour. This label must die
- that's such a pedantic point
- No, it shouldn’t because this is an incredibly useful concept in economics which you would understand if you had taken economics courses.
  Edit: to those without this background it is very useful to determine the stability of an economy if all the people with jobs that take years of training, which are skilled labor, suddenly start to flee as that suggests that the economy is collapsing.
There definitely are jobs that are truly unskilled.
Hauling bags of cement on a construction site
Mucking out animal pens on a farm
Digging ditches with a shovel
Carrying and stacking firewood
These are jobs any able-bodied person can do without any training. Then you have very low skilled jobs such as being part of a moving crew for moving companies. For that one you need to be careful moving heavy and/or fragile objects without breaking them or damaging surroundings. But that’s really more about paying attention to what you’re doing than a skill you would receive training to do.
- Skilled labor is economics jargon. Skilled labor jobs are ones that if you are told someone does you’ll know more or less what they can do and what their job normally requires. All jobs require skills but skilled labor requires certifications of training and frequently takes years to earn.
- The media uses it the same way economists do.
  A CDL bearing truck driver is unskilled because despite the certification that job does not immediately communicate specific skill sets as not all CDL drivers can operate all vehicles. That’s why they aren’t skilled.
  Sorry, but forklift certification takes less than two years. A forklift driver is not a skilled laborer according to the USCIS or the media.
  My point was my job title does not imply any specific skills not that forklift operators are skilled labor (which I never claimed). You cannot tell whether or not I know how to operate a forklift based on my title. Now if I said I was a mason instead of a wine importer you would know exactly what I am capable of doing because a mason is a job that has specific skills.
  Skilled and unskilled can be further broken down but as geberal concepts that should be similar/the same for all aspects of government

Don’t worry. Republicans have a plan. Forcing births of unwanted children with no resources to house, feed, or educate them while relaxing child labor laws should fix that right up.

And shutting down the department of education
- Right. You can learn everything you need to know on the farm or in the factory.

For a brief moment in 2020, they temporarily relabeled them as "essential workers".

It just really meant they didn't matter, and they were the fodder for the virus.

How quickly we threw those COVID hero's to the trash

in general we threw them in the trash as a parcel with calling them heroes. we gave them recognition of their value in lieu of due compensation

When you start really thinking about it, often unskilled jobs are nearly all the necessary jobs for humanity to survive. No one is going to suffer if your PhD army can no longer update twitter, I'm afraid to name the percentage, but most skilled jobs are useless in the sense that they're not really making anything of value.

I think SEO jobs are good example of this.

I disagree. Without Frtiz Haber inventing nitrogen fertilizer there wouldn't even be people to do unskilled labor.
This class battle has to stop. All economic fields are productive given that the market is valuing it. What's not productive is corruption and hoarding and middle manager fiddling. We have science to determine all that so we don't even need to gut feel this out.
Someone researching "transgender mice" can low key add more value than thousands or millions of "unskilled laborers". We need to diversify and value all avenues of our collective production and growth because thats just a smart thing to do. Except for billionaires and hoarders which clearly are a net negative.
- Me! I worked most of my life with 3D and Photoshop. Some stuff i did might have increased some sales, some might have been fun, but all were useless and mostly advertisement. I always wondered, if everyone working in ads died, what effect would it have on humanity? Rich people would be worse, but humanity as a whole would be better.
  That's just my field. I can think of quite a few areas that are just harmful and exists mostly to make rich richer.

I feel like it should be called "primary" labor or something to that effect. "Skilled" labor that can't function without "unskilled" labor to support it can be called "secondary" labor.

Everyone here should take an into economics course. Skilled labor are jobs that require certification and whose titles imply specific skills eg a mason or an ophthalmologist. No one believes that unskilled jobs don’t require skills rather those jobs don’t imply specific skills or duties.
- Economists should take an English class then. Why use a word to describe a thing that doesn’t mean what the word means?

The oldest jobs, which are the most important, are in some sense paid what they were when the job was created, so mothers are paid nothing, while farm workers, cooks, homemakers are paid next to nothing.

Unskilled labour refers to those in the precarious and more easily replaced position of workers. It is used by labour advocates to identify those with a greater need for union representation.

It isn't an insult. And the never-ending euphemism treadmill only serves to divide generations and make a handful of people feel important.

This knee-jerk reaction to the term "unskilled labour" reminds me of the one that replaced the term "ebonics" with "AAVE", implying that the black men that came up with the term were offensive.

As I recall, it was renamed due to the conservative controversy created around Ebonics in education, specifically for testing materials, and AAVE was chosen to specifically link to the impact slavery had in the USA in the creation of it, addressing both the need to "market" the idea a different way to avoid the backlash caused by conservatives and provide a more accurate and impactful definition.
I believe the only ones who ever claimed it was derogatory were the ones fighting against its accepted use in formal testing.
But that's just what I remember.

Billionaires don’t actually work. The higher up the work chain the more you get paid, and the less you do.

That’s the dream they force onto us, go up in the ladder to work less, but then you have to crush the ones below you on your way up otherwise it does not work

Anyone who has worked "unskilled" positions can tell you that every job has a learning curve and experience counts for a lot.

This is particularly true in jobs that require a degree of physical endurance and manual dexterity. Picking a vegetable is easy. Picking a thousand vegetables an hour (without bruising the produce or ruining the plant) for eight hours a day is quite difficult. And skilled workers are far more lucrative to the farm owner than clumsy neophytes.

What often defines a service worker as "unskilled" isn't the work, but the degree to which automated capital and real estate ownership are integrated into the workflow. The more leverage the employer can exert over the hiring market, the more easily they classify labor as "unskilled"' and downgrade the pay.

I feel like that’s actually pretty logical. “Skilled labor” involves skills that not everyone must have. The things that (nearly) everyone needs to be at least okay at are the things that come up in people’s lives most frequently (things like basic cleaning, socializing, and administrative/organization tasks). Without people to do the things that come up most often, society is going to fall apart.

I’m split on the name though. I understand what it means and don’t take offense (I currently work at a bakery, but I’ve also been a waitress and worked in a call center, all unskilled jobs- I’ve also worked in litigation management for an insurance company and I currently teach German classes too, which are skilled jobs, fwiw), but I get how it rubs some people the wrong way.

SPRICH

That's no accident. A job is considered "unskilled" (or "unspecialized" as I like to call it) if any adult who's gone through the education system and is reasonably healthy can do. Since society would collapse without these jobs, we want to do everything we can to make sure we always have people who can do them. How do you make that happen? By designing the education system to teach everyone the skills to do them and making it mandatory to complete your schooling. As a result, nearly everyone is capable of doing some of the most important jobs for our society.

"In fact, not only does the market assessment of the value of different forms of work not correspond to popular conceptions of what they actually contribute to society, but there actually seems to be an inverse relation: with few exceptions, the principle seems to be, the more one's work is seen as socially useful, the more it is recognized as helping others, the less one is likely to be paid for it."

David Graeber

Anyone that calls any labor ‘unskilled’ is gonna get a black eye. It’s insulting and it only comes up when looking for excuses why people are underpaid.

That's why its not called unneeded labor