Luigi Mangione lawyer says arrest flaws invalidate evidence – but will it work?
Luigi Mangione lawyer says arrest flaws invalidate evidence – but will it work?
Pennsylvania attorney for suspect in UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson shooting claims police violated his client’s constitutional rights in arrest
“Even if this motion is successful, it doesn’t mean that Luigi Mangione walks out of prison,” said Ron Kuby, a criminal defense attorney whose practice focuses on civil rights. “All it means is that the items that were seized from him, or seized that belong to him, can’t be used as evidence against him.”
Kuby thinks that Mangione’s team has made enough claims in their papers to merit a hearing on the issues, in which the police officer involved would have to testify, confirming or denying the facts. “It does appear that they stopped and frisked Mangione without a legal basis to do it. If that’s true, everything that follows from there is likely to be found to be unconstitutional,” he said.
America needs more Luigis.
Many, many more.
Definitely more symbols like him. If he's found innocent, then we must ask if Luigi's identity and movement extend to the true killer. If he's found guilty, then we have a more complex conversation.
Either way, we need more.
I’m still convinced this poor kid is a patsy because NYPD was facing down a riot, or worse (for them), for the blatant classism in their investigation efforts.
Unfortunately much of the public has given Luigi credit/deemed him “guilty” out of a need for ideological symbolism and an outlet to express frustration.
Without the obviously planted evidence, all they have is a video that doesn't show his face. If i was on the jury, that's enough reasonable doubt for me.
Precisely.
I expect they have more than that and will present it at trial.
What else could they have? They have a video of the crime, and the evidence they claim they found in his backpack when he was arrested, and a couple pieces of evidence they claim they found at the scene that contain his DNA.
Much of the backpack evidence is likely to be thrown out, and the video evidence is highly debateable, and easily refutable. That leaves the DNA items they claim were found at the scene, which could easily have been picked up at his hostel, and planted.
Any other evidence would be far before the crime, or far removed from it, and would be weak at best.
I mean, he'd need a functional alibi. So far, nobody seems to want to explain where he was when Thompson got got.
No he doesn't, that burden is on the state.
He was vacationing alone in NYC, so nobody knew or noticed him. No different than being home asleep.
Literally was with me that night. I can describe his very private birthmark if needed.
I just wanted to say Luigi without getting banned
You can post images, too! Ain't that neat?
Please remember the power bestowed upon a juror. Don't take it for granted. https://beyondcourts.org/sites/default/files/2022-07/Jury-Nullification-Toolkit-English_0.pdf
100% this.
And it looks like finding them not guilty due to lack of evidence, not declaring nullification - for anyone who did not know.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_of_the_poisonous_tree
There are exceptions, though. It'll be a question of whether or not the prosecution can make an argument that it falls into one of those.
...well, it'll be a question of who's at the judge's bench. The actual law doesn't mean shit in this country.
The judge on the bench in this case has been insisting on Luigi wearing ankle cuffs, so there's that for context...
pretty much the courts already show bias.
There’s also the issue of whether their witness is cooperative or not. There’s always an outside chance that the arresting officer intentionally behaved in a manner that invalidates the evidence, and is willing to testify in a way to support that.
Luigi is an innocent patsy. The cops planted the evidence on the first convenient person they found.
The cops planted the evidence on the first convenient person they found.
Hardly call his arrest a convenience. They had to chase him halfway across Pennsylvania.
I'm open to the possibility he was set up. But only in the Lee Harvey Oswald sense (someone mired in radicalism who was tangentially involved). You're going to have to produce a "second gunman" before I toss the abundance of evidence against him as a fabrication.
I'm not particularly remarkable in my looks, and I have so many doppelgangers that people are CONSTANTLY walking up to me claiming that my name is literally anything other than what my name is. I don't believe this is at all a unique feature of my particular genetics, I just happen to have a face that is known as a "familiar face," within both the art and acting sphere, as well as the psychological and sociological spheres of influence.
I'm saying that this concept absolutely applies to Luigi Mangione. He just looks too distinct, and quite frankly too chiseled to match the fuzzy photos of the actual killer. This being an extremely high profile case, in which the investigators involved felt pressure to wrap the case up as quickly as possible most likely led to them grabbing the wrong person, and planting evidence that the real killer abandoned on Luigi.
Pennsylvania isn't particularly big, and it's literally next door to NYC. You can either go directly from PA to NY and drive into the city from the north, or go through New Jersey. It takes longer to go north, but I think it is a better drive, TBH.
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You be careful posting that stuff! Reddit will ban you like they did me! Edit: See they removed your post!
This ^
Nice
Wow, that sketch makes the youthful and confident looking Luigi look more like a mob underling from a GTA game. Yikes
Courtroom sketches always butcher people's appearances.
I rather enjoyed the one of Giuliani: https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/26/politics/video/rudy-giuliani-court-behavior-courtroom-sketch-artist-rosenberg-src-digvid
“ _Brazen killing” I sure do love to see mainstream news articles.
It was carried out without shame so brazen is sn appropriate adjective.
The court artist made Luigi look like a grumpy Liberace. Wtf?!
I worked in courts and the sketch artists are something else. One time, one of them sketched me in 5min. I looked so bummed and guilty that I felt like I was staring down a 25 year sentence. To this day I still keep the drawing on my wall ( ˘ ³˘)
He looks twenty or thirty years older than he is.
Incarceration isn't a cake walk.
Unfortunately for him, matching the guy they're looking for usually counts as reasonable suspicion for a search. I doubt the judge will agree with the defense here.
Also, remember that they've been tight-lipped about how they got the tip in the first place. They never said it was an employee. It could have been a nearby law enforcement officer, or it could have been some surveillance system.
You should read the motion. The motion to suppress isn’t based mistaken identity or identity. The Motion is based around how officers detained/seized the Defendant and items unlawfully. Officers did not give the Defendant the ability to leave (seizure) which means their actions rise to an “investigative detention.” This is a violation of the 4th Amendment and the 14th amendment.
The Officers detained the Defendant to Interrogate him and because he was not free to leave, the should have Mirandized him at that point. The Officers failed to Mirandize the Defendant during a custodial interrogation which is a violation of the 5th Amendment.
While I don’t think it was in the PA Defense filing: at one of the hearings there was questions about the chain of custody of the backpack. This could also lead to suppression of evidence (as I believe the gun wasn’t found until after the police took the bag to the station—but I can’t find the source that mentioned this fact now so I’m not sure if this specific facts is accurate anymore).
Reddit tries to suppress all discussions related to Luigi, but remember, we have a dedicated community for him: !luigimangione@lemmy.world
Luigi was a wakeup call as to just how heavily information can be censored when it affects the powers at be. I really don't know what to believe anymore. It feels like there's no objective reality.
Guy is going to jail, the grave, or both. Guilty or not the state is not letting a little thing like police evidence tampering or innocence get in the way of him paying for the consequences being brought home to that CEO. Truth was publicly spoken to power, and someone has to pay for that in the states eyes.
I stopped reading at "silencer"
That's a correct word. In fact, it's more correct than "supressor." The first supressor was literally called the Maxim Silencer, and the ATF uses the term "silencer."
Are you bragging about willingly staying uninformed?