European alternatives to Google's Gmail
European alternatives to Google's Gmail
cross-posted from: https://europe.pub/post/7501
What European email services do you use?
Please recommend other interesting email services by your experience.
I have switched from Google's Gmail to ProtonMail and kMail. I really like both, kMail (by Infomaniak) have very similar app interface to Gmail so you will get used to it very fast and also have big storage for free and very good offers for paid plans 👍🏼
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Really wanted Email.CZ to work but it sticks on verifying my phone for my account :(
Anyone got experience with kMail?
Mailo from France is another option
Fuck Proton and their Trumps-ass-kissing CEO though.
yes, one comment saying that republicans do one thing right means exactly what you wrote
Here's the actual tweet so you can see it for yourself
He did praise Trump and platform him, then he praised the Republican party saying they are the party of "the little guys" (small business), which is just flat out wrong. He does not acknowledge that there are an abundance of things Trump is doing that is fucking awful and disgusting. At best it's an extremely tone-deaf tweet.
What that comment does is paint Trump and the Republican party in a very good light and ignores other things they do that are terrible, illegal, and much more important than a single cherry-picked action. That's effectively an endorsement (i.e. ass-kissing) without saying it in exact words.
Also, it's so very obvious that anyone associated with Trump absolutely needs to abide by Trump's every whim or else he will replace you. So, the point he was trying to make is entirely moot in the first place.
There is just no way to praise Trump or the Republican party without showing your ignorance or alignment with them. Just like you can't just have a little bit of shit in your food. Once you've got even a little bit of shit in your food, then you've got shit-food. Or, in this case, a Trump-shit stained CEO's mouth.
It's one more than I'd like.
I tried
- Proton - too expensive
- Tuta - too limited
- infomaniak - i like it, but also limited
Created new domain name in cloudflare and got free account at zoho. It's free badic account, but with a symbolic gesture of 0.9 euro a month, you also get smtp, IMAP etc... and it plays very well with cloudflare!
mailbox.org has a web app, so no need for a client app.
And Posteo also supports POP3, IMAP and SMTP, so you can use every mail client with support for it.I'm in the US and wanted to switch from Gmail to a privacy focused European email provider, so I paid for a year of Posteo and so far I've been really happy with it. The service is excellent, it's inexpensive and their ethics/values as an organization are wonderful.
Proton, no thanks to the Government of Putin supporters. Tuta could be the winner for me.
Some of the takes in here are bonkers.
Switzerland supports putin?
Proton also donated money to Ukraine in 2022. Some people simply live on a separate reality.
Switzerland supports putin?
I dunno man, Wikipedia says otherwise.
The country has a history of armed neutralitygoing back to the Reformation; it has not been in a state of war internationally since 1815[5][6] apart from the Sonderbund War(Switzerland civil war), joining the League of Nations in 1920[5] and did not join the United Nations until 2002.[7] It pursues an active foreign policy and is frequently involved in peace-building processes around the world.[8][9]
On February 28, 2022, Switzerland imposed economic sanctions on Russia and froze a significant amount of assets held by Russian civilians and companies as "punishment" for the invasion of Ukraine. Some described this as "a sharp deviation from the country's traditional neutrality."[10] According to Swiss president Ignazio Cassis in 2022 during a World Economic Forum speech, the laws of neutrality for Switzerland are based on The Hague agreement principles which include "no participation in wars; international cooperation but no membership in any military alliance; no provision of troops or weapons to warring parties and no granting of transition rights".[11
No Nazi supporters please
Oh nice hadn't heard of KMail and I'm trying to degoogle. Proton's fine but the owner is another tool so options are nice
Oh it's KDE even better
KMail is not a service by KDE, you probably confused it with KMail, the mail client by KDE. It's a service by Infomaniak.
I switched over to Proton a few weeks ago, so far so good. They had my name available so no more weird convoluted email address anymore yay!
I would highly recommend buying a domain name and use that for email, will be a lot less pain if you have to change provider again
You don’t need a client app for mailbox.org? I use it just fine on any standard mail client.
That's what they mean, it doesn't have its own client.
Ahh I see. Tbh I see that as a definitive plus though, it’s email that uses email standards.
I've been happy with Belgian based mailfence.com for 4+ years on one of their paid plans.
Thanks for the list
Proton
Same.
Getting a bit tired of the brigading against Proton. IMO the negativity is overblown and Proton is still a good option.
But do recommend everyone to get a custom domain so it’s easy to switch in case I’m proven wrong and Proton does turn sour.
Are you aware of recent events? Leadership has shown themselves to be fascist apologists.
yes, one comment saying that republicans do one thing right means exactly what you wrote
I felt like leaving gmail for proton was like moving from X to BS. So I bought my own domain via OVH in France and I’m happy with that. If OVH starts going downhill I’ll move my domain somewhere else.
I use eclipso.de. it's free with ads or i think 1€ a month premium
Runbox.com! I've been using them for years after Lavabit was shutdown. Based out of Norway, affordable, and privacy focused.
I have an e-mail adres with my domain name, but my personal mail is still Gmail. However I'm looking into changing that. I'm thinking about proton mail but I'm not sure yet. I'm trying to do research into what's best long term.
If what you want is encrypted email, and see it in the form of a chat, take a look at ArcaneChat
Tuta has been GREAT, so far. Hard recommend.
I started used it a month ago. I like it so far and was east to setup with my domain. I also recommend this.
Disroot is based in the netherlands i believe.
From their page:
“Disroot is a platform providing online services based on principles of freedom, privacy, federation and decentralization.
No tracking, no ads, no profiling, no data mining!”
Apparently not all their services have full encryption (I think their forgejo is unencrypted and plain text?)
Been using mailbox.org for a couple of years and I'm quite happy with it. Don't know what "needs client app" is supposed to mean though. If you don't want to use a mail client you can use the web interface. I've used maildroid on Android with it and when it was discontinued switched to Thunderbird, both work fine with mailbox.org.
There's one tiny minor annoyance, they somehow automatically create a new "archive" folder for every year that the web interface uses when you hit the archive button but in your mail client you gotta change the preferences manually once a year. Don't know if you can change but it's such a minor inconvenience I never bothered to check.
I've been happy with mailbox.org for years, too, yeah.
My only complaint is their WebDav experience is...just not very good. It's probably that I wanted a sync client and not a webdav client. But it wasn't quite standard (iirc) so getting everything configured was a pain...
Buy a domain and just use a ISP of your choice, don't lock in again with another domain not under your control.
Although depending on your configuration, it might be a battle against spammers.
You're confusing a domain name with hosting the actual server.
Just because you use a custom domain, doesn't mean you are hosting your email yourself.
I made the switch from gmail to Tuta. It's very good. Has desktop app as well as mobile. Highly recommend.
Mailbox.org costs 2gb 1€ in light plan
Few points, with them you are required to provide your own domain name. They supports basic CalDav but it's not their main focus.
Their FAQ is really well written, you should take a look.
Zero complaints.
the 404 on that link says otherwise.
What does "only web app" mean for posteo? Can you not use it with a standard mail app?
It just doesn’t have its own app. There is no custom, useless Posteo app.
Which nobody needs, since there’s IMAP and SMTP, so you can use any normal Mail app.
Better than anything. I like using Thunderbird.
Been using Posteo since around 2015. They're great.
Same. Posteo is fantastic.
I think it would also be worth to mention Zoho mail, they're mainly focused on the business side, but they do offer it for free as well up to some point.
Zoho also offers quite a few clones of Google products as a service too.
Quick edit: Forever free plan: Free up to 5 users (5GB/user). One free custom domain (in other words, bring your own domain if you have one!)
Zoho when Iast used was hot trash. I say this with the perspective that office is the gold standard, google docs does ok if you don't have a lot of weird demands and are ok with googles opinionated (ie everything changes every 3 seconds) behaviors. If gdocs are tier 2, Zoho is 4
Where is Startmail? It is the best e-mail service in the EU. It is not free, but you are not its bargaining chip so.
I wouldn't say it's the best, but it is an option. They are based in Netherlands and they have servers there which is cool.