LW staff mod removes comment, then tries to force contributing to their community instead of a lemm.ee alternative because it existed before

sopuli.xyz /post/21608236

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Summary:

Mod of an inactive community is upset that I try to build !leagueoflegends@lemm.ee rather than !leagueoflegends@lemmy.world and removes a comment encouraging a user to crosspost their question
Mod action: https://lemmy.world/comment/14369112
Modlog https://lemmy.world/modlog/4457
They then come to the lemm.ee community and use incorrect data such as "this community has no posts by other people than you" (it does, 4 posts in the last 11 days, while theirs had 2 in the last month) https://sopuli.xyz/post/21608236?scrollToComments=true
They accuse me to be on a "vendetta" against LW while I'm the main poster on !lego@lemmy.world , !photography@lemmy.world , !gardening@lemmy.world and !homeimprovement@lemmy.world
they try to bargain the consolidation of !television@lemmy.world and !showsandmovies@lemm.ee , while that has nothing to do with the league of legends communities (television and showsandmovies were both active, here the LW version hasn't had a post in the last 23 10 days)

The whole post seems strange to me, what do you all think?

Additional context: https://fedihosting.foundation/lw-team/

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I've seen a lot of LW users behaving like this.
They want a single comm per topic, preferably in LW; and everyone should go to that comm, no dissidence allowed. Always talking about "not splitting efforts", or some FUD like "unless we gather together Lemmy will never succeed".
And, when you tell them a clear "no", they throw a tantrum. Like Serinus did there.
I think that they got out of Reddit, but they didn't get Reddit out of themselves. They still behave like this was a Reddit-like monolithic platform; so when they see decentralisation - like multiple comms for the same topic, in different instances - they treat it as a bug, when it's a feature.
~~Anyway, I'd call that FAPTB (failed attempt of powertripping).~~ EDIT: wow, they removed your mention of the other comm! Talk about pettiness. PTB.
- I think that they got out of Reddit, but they didn’t get Reddit out of themselves. They still behave like this was a Reddit-like monolithic platform; so when they see decentralisation - like multiple comms for the same topic, in different instances - they treat it as a bug, when it’s a feature.
  Maybe we should point them out to Discuit and their 181 weekly active users: https://discuit.net/DiscuitMeta/post/NlAdOWAp
  Some people indeed don't seem to understand that if Lemmy has 43k monthly active users, it's thanks to the different instances and community. Would ml been a single forum, most of the people wouldn't have even registered. LW could have a decent following, but the regular debatable policy updates would have probably pushed people away.
  
  Sounds like Discuit should add apub integration. At this day and age it honestly baffles me that people like the devs of raddle and discuit go all like "No we don't want to talk to anyone else. You have to join our walled garden!"
.world mods and admins are just seething right now because they were unsuccessful in moving 196 to .world. The whole community just fucked off to !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone
This behaviour will just continue, its what .world is destined to do because they think we need them.
- Y'all are assigning way to much maliciousness to the people running a non-profit.
  
  I usually trust LW, especially Ruud. One point I just don't get is why staying federated with Threads
lemmy.flatworld at it again lmao, my bet is that they want to control all the main communities on the fediverse (the irony lol) and you don't seem like you would play ball
- ~~Doesn’t really have anything to do directly with LW. This is one person, who happens to be a mod of a community on LW, being mad at someone for having the same community somewhere else.~~
  Edit: oooh, he’s part of the LW staff 😂
  I’m 100% behind Blaze.
  
  https://feddit.org/post/5632529
  https://feddit.org/post/6136500
  https://feddit.org/post/6965425
  https://fedihosting.foundation/lw-team/
  Someone on the LW Community Team, and able to lock down communities, has more rights than a normal LW mod
  
  Edit: oooh, he’s part of the LW staff 😂
  I’m 100% behind Blaze.
  Thanks 😄
- The strange thing is that I'm not completely against LW. The sysadmins do a great job, and offer a solid experience for a lot of users.
  I usually post to LW communities like the ones I quoted above when it's a topic I'm not really that invested about, or when it's still niche on Lemmy, so having the main community on LW is just easier.
  But on the other hand, when there's a topic I care about, I usually indeed try to offer an alternative on another instance like Lemm.ee. Just seems healthier to spread communities across instances a bit.
we think flat earthers should be more respected than leftists on our instance
People rush faster off lw
lw harrases people posting elsewhere
Does lw have the same PR philosophy of musk and spez?
Am I just using Lemmy differently from these people? I want to find a community, I go to search, it pulls up all connected instances, I pick which one has the highest subscribe count regardless of what instance it’s on and use it like any other community. (Well, minus tankie instances). It’s really no trouble if it’s somewhere else and half the times I don’t even notice.
- Active users can sometimes be a better metric than subs, but yes, that's the idea
Yeah, this one is PTB territory for sure.
While balancing decentralized communities with making it easy to find and use communities is always going to be difficult, you don't use your mod position and admin position to try and force whatever side you think is best. That is part of the reason multiple communities on multiple instances are a good thing.
Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of times where consolidating onto the most visible community for a given topic makes sense. There's times it's necessary even, rather than optional, particularly when one of the communities is on an instance where it's essentially useless. But the whole reason lemmy works is it not being conglomerated entirely.
Yeah, .world is the biggest instance, so there's a good bit of gravity. It makes sense for more niche, smaller, or hard to search for communities to land there. When a community is already going to have trouble being used, you remove as many barriers as possible. If I was going to start the C/ menwholookandsmelllikesasquatch , I'd start it on .world, not bumfuck.nowhere. Also, if I ever run my own instance, that's what I'm going to name it.
But LoL? C'mon, lemmy can support multiples of that. Not even just two, you could have half a dozen and it would be fine. Moderation styles alone will give each their own vibe.
An example from reddit. I play a mobile game. The main, big sub on reddit for it is tightly moderated, with daily and weekly threads to streamline the usual questions and repetitive posts. So you get more dedicated players, doing deep theory crafting, min-maxing, etc. The smaller sub is definitely flooded with the usual noob questions posted fifteen times a week, but the vibe is looser, more prone to joking and casual play.
A game as big as LoL? You could have a dozen forums and each would be worth using for different reasons.
Which is another long winded tangent, but it points out exactly how useless the argument that the PTB was making is.
- you don't use your mod position and admin position to try and force whatever side you think is best.
  Wait, how did they use their admin ability here?
  I don't pretend to understand the other stuff - especially the "off season" comments seem like there is more going on than a person who doesn't play that game would understand. But mods and admin abilities at least are something I feel like I know more about!:-)
Not even a CLM. There's no mod action take here. There could have been a random user asking the same. Since also YDI can't apply here, I'm just gonna go with N/A and lock this thread as off topic due to Rule 1, sorry. I feel this is just fedi drama.
Update after OP edit. PTB.
- Mod action: https://lemmy.world/comment/14369112
  You can check the modlog, but the comment was basically "feel free to crosspost to !leagueoflegends@lemm.ee " (which they did)
  Edit: modlog https://lemmy.world/modlog/4457
  
  OK that's something else that wasn't in the OP. Please update the OP so as to include it so people can judge this mod action. I've unlocked this again
- PTB
  Thank you for your assessment
I just blocked LW, not that I really have anything against it, there is just too much drama. (IE what you're seeing trying to migrate your community)
90% of the posts in my 'feed' were from LW, even though it made up less than 20% of the communities I was subscribed to.
Moving away from LW is the best thing for the health of the fediverse in the long run. There is too much liability on that single instance, and they're only going to get more restrictive to cover their legal liabilities - and I don't really blame them. If people continue to centralize there, it will only guarantee a large future collapse and migration similar to reddit July-2023.
Decentralization = stability. It's the whole point of the fediverse.
Thank you for suggesting lemmy.zip btw, it's so much nicer. A lot less stressful. I've been meaning to migrate some communities (I have to get the time to put a poll together to see if that's what people want).
- Minor nitpick, they weren't migrating their community, OP was advertising his comm in another one.
  
  Correct
- Welcome back! How is !index@lemmy.zip going?
  
  Pretty slow, I haven't had much time to work on a bot for it (kinda outside my knowledge scope atm). Is there a dumbed down explanation/template to explain to people why a move off server would be good (on a technical basis, with a single chart/diagram)?
  I was looking at your casual conv post but honestly I don't really understand it all, other than diversification=good.
Here's additional context that Blaze conveniently left out.
https://lemmy.world/post/24470619
I'd be 100% on the Lemm.ee community if it had the history the LW one does.
This has very little to do with LW, and is about the effort I've put into this community over the last two years compared to Blaze's efforts that started 16 days ago and seem manipulative and malicious.
- mate, listen to me, this is counter-productive. complaining that someone prefers to talk about a subject in a different instance just makes you look salty. If your community has more active people, and given than the fact that you built a whole app for it you seem to be very invested in it, it will organically become the de-facto one.
  People will naturally orient themselves to whichever comm is the most active. Trying to force this activity by doing things like censoring links to other comms, will only backfire.
- Hello,
  Here’s additional context that Blaze conveniently left out.
  How did I left this out as this is the first thing people see in the post that is linked both in the link and in the OP?
- I don't pretend to even begin to understand a lot of the details here especially about the game itself (though I thought you made an excellent point about the "off season" to explain why the lower amount of posts was a temporary situation), but if it helps to hear an outsider's perspective, wouldn't the whole situation have been received better if you had offered a counterargument to the comment rather than simply remove it, i.e. as the recent LW announcement post was saying?
  Though ultimately a mod's community belongs to them and they shouldn't have to put up with advertisements to other competitors in it if they don't want. Was Blaze spamming such comments over and over rather than this being the first time? Did he ask and get permission first to promote the new community, or have some reason to think that the other had been abandoned? (Maybe that's the "off-season" relevance part) - except even if the community had been, your account as a mod is still active, so why not ask you first?
  Sadly it seems like there is some kind of communication breakdown between the two of you. Blaze is not perfect and even if meaning well, seems to have overstepped here - being a mod of one community does not entitle someone to make decisions about some other community. So that's on him, but to state the obvious: just make sure that your reactions in return are up to your own standards, rather than allow the feelings of betrayal win the day.
  It seems this could have been handled so much better on both sides. And yes, that's easy for me to say from so far away, while much harder to do when it's my own cherished works on the line:-).
  
  I typically post about the North American league, which starts this Saturday. The professional scene is usually pretty quiet between November and January (inclusive).
  https://lolesports.com/en-US?leagues=lta_n
  The lemm.ee community effectively didn't exist 16 days ago.
- I even wrote an application 11 months ago specifically to make posts to this community.
- Oh, so now you recognise that Blaze is a manipulative wanker? Yet you somehow missed this small fact when you blocked Carnivore community last week after being prompted by the same manipulative wanker?
  
  This is looking a lot like a personal attack tbh. This community is about holding mods/admin to account, not for personal attacks on other users. Blaze has (from my own personal experience) consistently been working to help promote small instances and provide alternatives to communities hosted on the larger instances. While that may not be great from LW's perspective, I think it's good for the fediverse as a whole. This whole situation feels like it could easily be resolved with a good faith discussion between all parties involved tbh.
  
  Hello! 👋
Is it possible to see who moderates a particular action if they don’t comment? These sort of posts and recently having my own post moderated for “politeness” (after implying some iamverysmart tool huffs their own farts) has lead me to believe the multiple groups having issues with LW moderation have good reason for it.
Like for this post, I want to understand people not wanting to split traffic when lemmy isn’t exactly swimming in it but I don’t know.
- You can try to filter by mod in the modlog
  
  Cheers, even though I messaged both the mod of the comm it happened in and the LW admin relay bot (~~and got ignored by both~~ LW admins got back to me :) ) I’m not sure I can be arsed. Feels like mod action should be more transparent but also, I can imagine that’d be shit to deal with as a mod too.
Next time a community seems like the mod is inactive instead ask in !support@lemmy.world to see if you can be a mod there first.
- That's not the issue here, the inactive mod is on Lemm.ee
  
  Ah, I misunderstood. Still, my advice stands for those cases where the mod is inactive on LW.

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