That guy expects me to come pre-bundled with so much stuff ready for him to reference at will and at breakneck pace lol. I really enjoy him both as a truly odd duck and a weird and sometimes profoundly insightful thinker, but sheesh. I miss 60% or more sometimes, and he's also quite prolific.
You need to have a third example that you don't use in your list, though. When someone calls you out on using etc to hide your lack of examples, you can pull out the third one and completely obliberate them.
Honestly, that's there to save them from my ramblings half the time. I could go on, but I know they won't read past the headlines in a corporate environment