US election 2024: Greta Thunberg refuses to endorse either candidate in damning post
US election 2024: Greta Thunberg refuses to endorse either candidate in damning post
Multiple celebrities have come out in support of either candidate in the US presidential election throughout the course of the campaign period – from Terminator star and former Republican governor Arnold Schwarzenegger endorsing Democrat nominee Kamala Harris, to Jake Paul (perhaps unsurprisingly) b...
Thunberg added that “no matter” which one of them wins, America “will still be an imperialist, hyper-capitalist world power that will ultimately continue to lead the world further into a racist, unequal world with an ever increasingly escalating climate and environmental emergency”.
What a fucking fool
Breaking: I also refuse to endorse either candidate. That's because I'm not American, and I know shite about American politics. I do trust, however, that Americans can make up their minds without any foreigners telling them what to do.
I'm not American, and I know shite about American politics.
You can't suss out which of the candidates is more competent?
Mkay.
Hopefully you don't have a driving licence.
Believe it or not, but the US is not the centre of the universe. I genuinely have no idea what policies either candidate is proposing, and the occasional descriptions such as "literal Nazi" or "real Antichrist" aren't really informative. I'm much more interested in which of my local parties would most likely decrease housimg prices, build better public transport infrastructure or finance more equitable social welfare support. Neither US candidate will have any effect on those, apart from perhaps a few more American immigrants on our shores. So, I really don't feel competent to speak about American politics, and I doubt Greta is any more competent. It would be an insult to Americans to presume that they need foreigners to tell them how to vote.
They're really no different from that perspective for us either. Unfortunately trump is a literal fascist and dnc knows it. Unfortunately fascism and abortion are driving this election.
Thankfully im in a state where i can say fuck you to both candidates and let my critters know they're next if they dont shape up.
- harris repeatedly attempted to gaslight the American people over biden's mental health.
- harris has continued to gaslight americans over the activities of israel and labelling them as self defense. Hamas has agreed to repeated cease fire agreements with the release of hostages. Only bibi is the problem and we continue to support him and passively label the continued escalation of violence as self defense while simultaneously violating our own laws on weapon sales.
- harris has refused to back pro labor initiatives like committing to ms khan at the FTC, and has no pro labor initiatives on the her platform.
- harris has willing silenced pro Palestine violences in general and on her campaign trail. While trying to say she's comfortable with them protesting and providing no path forward for their voices to be heard by the wider Democrat base through her campaign.
- harris was the corporate choice of a running mate for biden instead of more progressive candidates such as warren. And it shows in her absolute trash set of policies.
- harris has repeatedly lied about what the deaths of hamas leaders mean. Israel targetted the leaders most willing to commit to a ceasefire first. There will be no peace while netanyahu is running israel and America continues support.
- Harris has repeatedly labelled herself as the law and order candidate while simultaneously committed to continuing to violate American laws.
- Harris' support of lgbt+ is purely 'legal' her own words. She doesnt believe they should have be able to make their own medical decisions. I doubt she'll promote anything pro lgbt+ during her tenure she just wont regress it.
Shes absolutely disgusting as a candidate and if it wasn't for trump being orders of magnitude worse, and the intentional lack of a primary she'd be no where near winning the white house. And i suspect we'll see another election cycle without a primary as a result of her being the incumbent.
Its absolutely horrifying. 🦅😮💨
well said. i will add that harris got a total of 187 votes in the primaries and was still selected over warren with 3 million because she is a pro-corpo & pro-israeli hack. she has always been a two faced flip-flopper but still failed upward in politics. dnc has become so toxic that they are trivialising genocide and running a disgraceful smear campaign on stein.
There will be no peace while netanyahu is running israel and America continues support.
given the state of things its clear that parasite netanhayu is running both israel and america via aipac. its only becoming worse every year, they tank any progressive campaign with massive funding & propaganda and play both sides.
Sorry but this is just batshit crazy.
Make a list of the world's 500 most greenhouse gas producing companies. Ask the board of each of them who Greta should endorse and they would unanimously say that she should make a statement refusing to endorse either.
It doesn't take much intelligence to realise that the least worst option is the best option, particularly when the people voting for the worst option will not be dissuaded.
I realise that most lemmy users revere Greta like the morning sun, but I'm supremely confident that if Trump wins a lot of "message voters" and their influencers will feel pretty silly in a year or so.
You don't need the permission of a European kid to vote for the least shit option for your government and kick the can of fascism a little further down the road. The recent is close - the outcomes delivered by each candidate aren't - you shouldn't need encouragement to vote accordingly.
Well... maybe. But I still have to live here.
Smart Girl.
I do wonder if first past the post is something she knows about.
Not a good stance from her, though lots about the general vibe is right.
First past the post argument only applies in states where the races are competitive. It doesnt apply in deep red/blue. If 15% of your population can swing 3rd partywith no change in results it no longer applies.
Greta is on the right side of of Israel, but she is victim of EU colonial disinformation propaganda favouring war on Ukraine, which is pure US imperialism. There is zero possibility of a sustainable climate if oil interest tell you that war is more important. Prioritizing a need to control renewable energy (tariffs) is also incompatible with climate sustainability, and is done to further protect oil use/profits far more than helping local boutique renewable producers.
So Biden/Harris have done far more to destroy the climate than to save it. CO2 atmospheric concentrations have gone up record amounts even as energy progress has been made. Some of it is feedback effects of more forest fires, but 3% of global diesel being used in Ukraine, and increased military production, in a war the hegemony needs to last 10+ years to keep oil profits high is climate destroying.
It is China that is transforming energy. The US is an obstacle to the transition.
So anyways, I started
blastin'votin'.Understandable. Both candidates are a face of the same US imperialist coin to people living outside the US. Might be different for those living in the US though.
I think a lot of the political issues in the US and similar countries stem from misunderstanding elections as a type of message-sending, rather than collective decision-making.
But endorsements, protests, and poll responses are genuinely types of message-sending, and there's nothing inconsistent about protesting or denouncing a candidate while still voting for them in an election in which the outcome is contingent on the presence of other candidates and other voters. So the fault—if any—lies not with Thunberg, but with voters who misapply her message as a voting strategy.
That's how a lot are spinning this, and she doesn't endorse anyone (not even third party) because she's pointing to the bigger picture. However, I do think she's subtly weighing the options with the line "With this in mind, my main message to Americans is to remember that you cannot only settle for the least worst option." Read it carefully, along with what follows it about not quitting after a vote.
Vote third party as a message if it makes you feel better, but just like those voting for Harris - you better not stop there.
Message voting in action:
Gore shouldnt have picked Lieberman. That was nuts.
Damn! If only Al Gore had put more effort into campaigning in Florida, or if the Supreme Court didn't put their fingers on the scale.
Also I noticed you didn't throw out the Libertarian party numbers or Reform Party numbers...
when is greta coming out as a commie
She's right, but she also doesn't have US citizenship.
I don't think she was planning to vote.
As a general rule, it's kind of weird to endorse (or refuse to endorse) political candidates in countries where you don't have voting rights.
There's a lot to say about how American politics matters enough to the state of the world that anyone has a right to an opinion on them, but you could say the same thing about Russia and China and it'd still be weird if American activists publicy endorsed (or refused to endorse) their political candidates.
Perhaps in context people have asked her for a statement but it sounds like this is a relatively unprompted X.com post.
But it's also not like she said "don't vote," she said "you have to do more than vote for the lesser evil."
Yeah but U.S. elections affect more than U.S citizens.