There's a "joke" that if you put 3 leftists in a room, out comes 5 political parties.
Mostly that works because what the establishment thinks of as left is really centralist. Real leftists would advocate for socialism.
Of course the US goes even further into the insane category by basically just having everyone be right-wing with different flavors.
Real leftists would advocate for socialism.
True, but there are there differing approaches to socialism: MLs want authoritarian socialism (government runs everything), while Democratic Socialists usually want a hybrid of market socialism (co-ops) and government run socialism for needs that free market co-ops cannot address. And then there are libertarian socialists who want only worker owned co-ops and syndicates. Finally, we have SocDems that want indirect socialism where strong regulations and labor protections try to achieve socialist goals through capitalism.
Did you do that on purpose? Illustrate the truth of the joke by no-true-Scotsmaning leftism, I mean? Because if so, bravo, and if not, lol
Oh, so is my syndicalist ass a centrist? What about my mutualist wife? There’s the MLs vs the MLMs (who almost nuked each other). We managed to form two separate armies in most socialist revolutions
that was a good one, XD
I used to think I was leftist, because I believe in things like "healthcare" and "equal rights".
Then the leftists started screeching "bUt tHe gEnOcIdE!"
I guess I'm not a leftist.
I mean, the ongoing Palestinian genocide is important, vile, and our support of its perpetrators a stain on our national soul.
It's just not an excuse to let fascists start an additional genocide here in the US. Without even stopping the ongoing Palestinian genocide.
Ehhh, the left is a big board idea. I wouldn't worry about it too much. It's a favorite trick of the fascist to pretend to be on the left.
You can't annoy someone into becoming differently-hearted about abortion, the death penalty, religion in the public arena, taxes and their governmental expenditures, or any sort of organized culturally elite stylized policies. Even though we domesticate animals some humans have had repeatedly bad experiences with the cultural domestication process.
And politics relies upon these eternal differences.
They will hate leftist policy because it means that bullying becomes harder to do. Controlling resources is now out of their hands in a very direct way, and usually people that need to dominate resources to feel safe will not abide by others having access to resources that they can't control the tap to.
And so that gets transformed one way or another. If they are big and have no problem doing crime they roll that.
If they are big and they start with a problem with crime then they roll blue. That system creates a whole 'nather version of criminality and there is no cure for it there, either.
Then you have the leftist which is usually someone that has been bullied enough to recognize oppression yet has not the power nor the force to make change.
What the people who say that actually mean is, "I was on your sports team until you told me what your sports team stood for."
It's an "I voted Democrat because muh daddy voted Democrat and his daddy voted Democrat" situation. They were always Republicans, they just were too ignorant to pay attention and realize it.
Anyone who says they became a right-winger because they hated their fellow left-wingers is lying.
But, of course, every word uttered by a conservative is deception or manipulation. Every word.
not fellow left-wingers - one way many people get pushed right is by watching right wing content that just shows lefties acting like idiots and then goes "omg look SJWs so dumb". So people get turned off from feminism or progressivism before they have a chance to actually engage with it. Then, there's only one direction to go when frustration sets in - right.
Just look at the amount of ragebait on (conventional) social media showing feminists or queer activists or woke people acting cringe. It's the first step of the right-wing pipeline.
Or they engage one too many times with hexbear and lemmygrad and .ml posters and now associate "left" with tankie.
people seem to forget that the GOP has been mastering propaganda and echo chambers since the 60s. so as soon as the Internet came alongz they knew exactly how to utilize it to get this effect. it's honestly terrifying, and I think it at least partially explains the rise of alt right nutjobs in the last 20 years
yeah exactly, imagine abandoning your entire worldview because someone was mean to you one too many times. You'd need to have no moral compass nor a spine to do that
if a fellow leftie is mean to me i just call them a tankie and move on with my life /jI agree with the sentiment but I'd say in the ones who genuinely believe it, it's a result of them being successfully deceived or manipulated
Those stories are so fake. "I used to be a leftist, then I was mildly annoyed by something. Now I'm ragingTrumpist!"
Same energy as born again Christians trying to convert me from atheism.
"I used to be you!"
No, you were a slightly less annoying version of you. You don't know me at all.
Sorry to dump this out here, but I have dealt with this shit since I was a teen and I'm mad tonight about some other shit.
That's because they think everyone who isn't hardcore christian is unhappy and questioning their choices every day, just waiting on god to help.
I'm hard agnostic. That doesn't mean I'm questioning. That means I believe that we can't possibly know any more than a bacteria can fathom what I am. They're convinced that means I'm not sure if their god exists and I desperately want them to show me the light.
You know how I know what they think? It's how I was raised. It's the literal words that came out of their mouths. Luckily it's been years since anyone other than a Jehovah's Witness tried to convert me to anything and I just tell them "I think god is dead so I'm trying to get on Satan's good side by having sex outside of marriage and killing. Which do you prefer?"
"I had different principles and values until someone hurt my feelings on the internet."
Seeing myself as center-left...
For my family, I'm the one who is left...
For the guys on hexbear, I'm far-right.
It falls down to your opinions and not what flag you carry.
I think his point is when you are far enough on any side of the spectrum, everyone else gets lumped together with the more problematic version of the opposition.
Capitalists aren't fascists but I wouldn't be surprised to read an essay from someone on the far-left making that point.
Socialists aren't communists but you can frequently see this point being made by the far right.
You are on a heavily censored instance.
The only instances I ever got censored by, were hexbear and lemmy.ml
Seems like you are.
RIGHT? Like I'm voting blue no matter who at least until the GOP fixes its fascism problem (if it ever does), but at the same time shut the fuck up I don't care about your 37 gender identities or pescatarian diet or whatever
The only people who rant about that stuff is the right wing
I'm straight but have lots of lgbtiq friends, and conversations like that never come up.
It's oddly enough the right wing who bring that conversation up constantly and exaggerate it
You would think so, but there's a certain user here who expects us all to play along with their stated gender. Their stated gender is the name of a mythical animal.
Somehow no one has played along.
Other than that specific person though, I have yet to meet a queer person who had an issue with being called 'they/them' even if their preferred pronouns are 'zir' or whatever. My wife works with multiple nonbinary people (librarians are an eclectic bunch). None of them expect you to call them by their preferred pronoun. They just don't want you to intentionally misgender them either.
I've met those walking stereotypes a handful of times but yeah, WAY less common than Tucker Carlson or whoever would have you believe
Oh other people decided to not live their life pedantically according to your opinions. The tragedy!
You seem to have missed the "shut the fuck up" part
Agreed, I personally voted for Kamala Harris (early voting) however I cannot pretend that she is a good candidate.
Agreed, I personally voted for Kamala Harris (early voting)
It's a shit situation to have the candidates we do, but unironically, thank you for making the choice that makes it less likely that millions will suffer needlessly. I'll be limping my ass down on election day to cast that same vote.
It’s true.
Rural gun owner leftist vs Seattle leftist. Cage match at 9pm central time.
Industrial worker in a union vs. woke college kid.
Unless he recently moved to Seattle, I'm fairly sure he lives in Vancouver (BC, he's Canadian) and his current name is some kind joke.
EDIT wow I can't read, this is from 2020.
Probably a joke about being the ruler of the CHAZ.
If you are a leftist it is sooo easy to troll other leftists. Right wingers are missing out on all the fun.
Literally annoyed right now because some dimwit fighting ghosts, saying that I was advocating for tolerance of right-wing fascism, because I said that the Balkanization strategy was not the strat in reply to a third individual's comment.
Also trying to say something about vulcanization, but idk what the chemical process of mixing rubber with sulfur has to do with geopolitics.
We must be flexible, hot, and kinda stinky in order to succeed at geopolitics duh
Lol if it makes you feel better I enjoyed the read earlier today.
I'm also annoyed but for some other reasons that I can't share with you right now.
I just left the lefty memes instance because people were so far up their own asses, they couldn't tell you their own right hand from their left. Don't even ask them about the left/right political spectrum. Well, unless you want to get angry.
Thats because the right wing is way far over and a massively broad spectrum is leftist to them. they view themselves as center lol.
Is this Thought Slime the YouTuber? I love his shit
Hes a bit annoying at times and he's
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Canadian ::: but besides that he's ok.
Canadian? That's fucked up
Yes, I think I even remember the tweet
Relatable.
