When someone makes a crude joke on the internet
When someone makes a crude joke on the internet
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Just don't punch down. Simple as.
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I only punch interdimensionally. Damn those lazy Gorblecks.
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Uppercuts work just as well
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Define punching down.
Is it economic power? 400e minimum wage here
Is it history? 400 years of Asian/African colonialism
Privilege? Amazon, any official manufacturer site and PayPal don't work here. We just got Google Pay and Apple Pay.
Slavery? The word slave originates from the word Slav and we had nothing to do with colonialism.
I'm a white European and I am way less privileged than any US minority, technically we Slavs are also POC in the US.
So I technically can't punch down on Americans. These kinds of things are dumb since you can't know someone's ethnicity, race, sex, country, etc. online.
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So I technically can’t punch down on Americans
Black trans women in the United States are routinely assaulted and raped and have an HIV+ rate of 60%. You sure about that?
My point is that targeting vulnerable groups for humor isn't funny, it's just bullying and it's sad. It shouldn't be a controversial point.
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The problem is the red ones take the orange ones seriously. Please don't feed the trolls.
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Poe’s Law. Without a sarcasm tag it’s impossible to know if the person is being sarcastic or is that extreme.
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You can always find someone on a social media site who actually holds that belief
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Therefore it's okay to argue against strawmen.
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Most of the times its sarcasm unless you are in some places
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Respectfully mention that it's kinda insensitive, kinda like, "hey man, don't you think that's kinda insensitive?" and you'll probably figure out fairly quickly which one is the answer. Additionally, if they legit don't know why it's insensitive, then you can educate them!
Just remember that tone can be difficult to convey on the internet, and sometimes you have to exaggerate the intended tone for it to be understood. Additionally, in my experience, asking the question from the other person's perspective ("don't you think that's kinda insensitive" vs "I think that's kinda insensitive") seems to help a lot.
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How about just deal with it? Internet is meant to be free space, that includes racists, bigots, rednecks, people you disagree with.
Lemmy is worried about 1984 but in actuality is becoming Fahrenheit 451.
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Yeah, no. The Internet isn't meant to be a safe space for bigots. They're free to post and everyone else is free to chase them back under the rock where they belong.
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Lemmy is worried about 1984 but in actuality is becoming Fahrenheit 451.
I don't think you've read either book because that analogy makes absolutely no sense.
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My brother in Christ, you are conflating free speech with the freedom from consequences. You are free to express your opinions. You will not be arrested for that. You can use the internet however you wish to express whatever opinions you have, no matter how stupid or hateful they are.
However, if your opinion sucks, the community will "deal with it" by down voting your dumb ass, and if you piss enough people off, you'll get banned. Your rights have not been infringed. You're just an asshole and people don't want to listen to you anymore. You can freely go complain about it somewhere else.
I'm sure there is a community on the Internet that would welcome your shitty opinions into their little echo chamber. Go there if you don't like it here. Or, as you say: "deal with it".
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"but why can't I say offensive shit, it's so funny every single time"
It's not, edgy humor is stale especially the likes of 4chan
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Hey man, don't you think that's kinda insensitive?
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Nobody on the left is burning books if you'd look outside your bunker asshole.
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Love you telling on yourself with that list
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People have the right to say what they want (at least in the US, mostly), which includes people voicing their disagreement with stuff. It's a two-way street and we're better off with it that way. You can't force someone to listen to you, just like someone can't force you to listen to them.
What you can do, however, is attempt to educate people if they're willing to be educated. If successful in doing so, you help decrease the amount of bigotry that exists. In my opinion, attempting to engage with an individual to determine their intent is a way of dealing with it. Why stay silent when you could help make the world a better place?
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I don't believe that you've read either book
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Deal with what, exactly?
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I hate concern trolls even more than I do being confused with a nazi, and I'm pretty average so ymmv
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The shit posters drive a wedge in a community and the people who don't like the "innocent" jokes leave. This makes fertile ground for ideological take over. Rinse and repeat in Fandoms, subreddits, message boards, etc.
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Relevant video
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"Everyone who disagrees with my narrow worldview is mentally unwell, and other stories for children on the internet"
Written by self-isolation With illustrations by social media Featuring a forward by my racist uncle who would sneak me beers at family picnics
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Very enlightening meme you have added to the conversation.
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Schizo*
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Alternatively, the people who are so brittle that shit-posting causes them to somehow turn on half of the community were always going to volatile puritans.
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Except it's not so black and white. Crude jokes can be funny and unfunny. Shit-posting is one thing but offensive jokes just often repeat themselves and I can understand wanting something new every now and then.
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What? Maybe some people join communities for fun and togetherness. Not amateur hour jew jokes or whatever.
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Tbh this is what I love with (uncensored) internet. It’s hard to draw the line between sarcasm and mental illness.
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Yeah but also it enables stuff like Nazi dogwhistling soooo lmao
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Well, Nazi existed before the internet and would exist without it. They didn’t wait for the internet to enable themselves. There can’t be zero downside for having a 100% free platform, I do agree.
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Nah. Your definition of a Nazi is just anyone right of Mao. This place seems to be where the tankies went after getting banned from Reddit for encouraging violence toward people who don’t want to slob on government’s massive boot.
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Wrong. /b/ was never good.
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Right wingers aren't mentally ill theyre just wrong and have reprehensible morals.
Please stop using mentally ill as an insult. Fascists love that, see R word, calling people autistic or schizophrenic as an insult, etc.
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You like being around mentally ill people?
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My days on the Opie and Anthony reddit has given me good tone reading.
Fun racism and non fun racism. If it's ugly in tone they're racist. Remember Patrice or maybe Louis ck joking about how "jew" is both the normal term for Jewish people and the slur depending on the tone of how you say it. Reminds me of that but harder to tell with text.
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"louie Louie Louie loooooieeeee!"
I miss his FX show. He's a great comedian. Glad he came out and apologized and even made fun of himself a bit. I don't believe in eternal damnation of public figures like that unless people get physically harmed.
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Oh man. That subreddit was a fucking trip. I followed it for a while, and couldn't believe how the hosts would interact with them. Some absolute crazy people on that sub
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We want everyone to have a place to voice their opinion! Proceeds to down vote everything that doesn’t fit their narrow view of the world.
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The extreme right and I disagree on whether I should live, just a casual difference of opinion.
Or.. no. Fuck that, fuck them, and fuck you?! Let's go with option 2.
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Yes, let's tolerate any kind of intolerance. What could possibly go wrong? 🤡
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Remember when the nazis stopped genociding people when they were asked to stop being mean? Like, apparently the existence of some groups is something we can "agree to disagree" on.
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It's free speech if it fits my narrow view!.
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There is such a thing as a "non-extremist" right-winger?
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The probability of encountering a "non-extremist" right-winger is exactly the same as of encountering a "non-extremist" left-winger and is quite small. The vast majority of people are moderates, either left or right leaning.
Also, from the European perspective, the American left aka Democrats are quite right leaning :)
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Oh look... an "enlightened centrist" has shown up to run interference for the right-wingers.
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Left extremism: everyone should be treated with dignity and we should live in an actual democracy or concensus based society(as opposed to bourgeois democracy which is empirically an oligarchy), and we shouldn't be unwilling to use violence toward those goals(except some are radical pacifists)
Right Extremists: women should be forced to sleep with me and minorities should be gassed or used for slave labor. Also I should be exploited by my boss harder.
Enlightened centrist: I cannot tell the difference between these two things
Honestly tells us more about "centrists" than anything else.
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Both words, “extremist” and “right-wing”, have no real hard definitions.
No, right-wing ideology has a very hard and clear-cut definition - all politics that protects power and privilege. It really doesn't get any simpler than that.
Is being socially conservative right wing?
It's not supposed to be... but the only people self-applying the term in the US are fascists.
Is supporting capitalism right wing?
Yes. Period.
anti-racist and pro-trans left wing?
That's not progressive - that's radicalism.
Is socialism left wing? Is only communism left wing?
Yes.
Is someone an extremist if they condone violence?
No.
Is someone an extremist if they seek to change the system fundamentally?
No, that's radicalism.
Is someone an extremist if their political beliefs are very strongly held, no matter what they might be?
No.
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Probably the LibDems in the UK—A mostly inert centre-right party
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The "extremist" part of Right wing "extremist" is meaningless. All reactionary politics are extreme, whether they take the active form of stochastic terror or they take the passive form of
social murder(as defined by Engels in 1845, see below). The plausible deniability employed by reactionaries as camouflage among jokes is extremely transparent to anyone familiar enough with it. -
Shitposters are definitely not innocent.
I would also replace it with trolls because comments in that territory are consistently on or over the line.
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They make crude jokes on the internet?!
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Yo mama
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Hmm..
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This is why I try to give people the benefit of the doubt. I’d rather look naive than make uptight assumptions. Plus, I’m a reddit refugee, and I’ve HAD IT with pedants and the rampant holier-than-thou crap.
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That's exactly how I feel sometimes. And you can replace right wing extremist with misogynist, it still works.
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That venn diagram is basically a circle anyway
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It really has come to that...
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Tough
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"Okay time to look at their post history" "hmm nothing bad... pretty alrigh- oh they're a communist"
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Red
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And hard to say
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Just check their comment history for like 30 seconds. Everyone makes a joke that misses the mark every now and then, but the shittiest people usually constantly spew their nonsense.