First projections of EU Parliament election results
First projections of EU Parliament election results
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I think the most important topic right now is confronting the climate change and the problems it is going to cause, on every level local, regional, national and international. This looming crisis is going to affect everything and everyone on an existential level, and requires every of these government levels, even every individual, to fucking work and to fucking stand together.
And now my compatriots elect AfD.
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Climate change is literally on position 4 out of 5 for voters. People are absolute fucking morons and at this point I think we should just go extinct. This is ridiculous.
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Humanity can go extinct. We deserve it. I feel bad for all the animals we kill along with us.
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If you can't afford your bills you don't care about climate change.
Edit: I know, that climate change will only worsen your financial situation, but a lot of people don't see the long term effects on them and the economy.
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society was a mistake. just make it end fast.
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Yes but have you considered that brown people are to blame for all these things? And that they are also fictional lies by The Left (tm) to scare you away from the horrible brown people?
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And the homersexuels. Can't forget what they did to help the brown folks.
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One is easy to perceive as bad and the other takes some thinking about to really appreciate.
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Putin absolutely loving this
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I'm literally crying looking at this. People are mad that there are 8.6% of nazis, meanwhile, over here in Russia, there's like 7.8% reps in the upper house and <4% in the lower who might secretly NOT be a nazi. The rest are pretty open about it.
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I thought the right would be more anti Putin
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Well you thought wrong. What even gave you that idea? Recent and older scandals have proven, that the authoritarians in Austria, Czechia and Germany (probably elsewhere too) are receiving money and orders from Putin. They're not even nationalists in that sense, they just love fascism. Even trump with all his "America first" bs loves Putin. All enemies of democracy will work together to dismantle it.
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That's the thing, you think that because they keep saying they like their country more than the others, a foreign leader who hates and want harms to their country would be their enemy.
The truth is (1) they get a boner for the authoritarian way Putin leads Russia and (2) Putin treats them well because he knows that strengthening those parties weaken the country they're in.
Also Putin hates EU, and they hate EU. The difference is that Putin hates EU because he knows that European countries are stronger together.
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The growth of the far right isn't that terrible on a vacuum, since it's just a small growth anyway. The real bad news is this:
This is, traditional conservative parties starting to talk about cooperation with the far right, rather than with centrists. If you thought far right euroskeptics were cringe, just you wait to see the far right that wants to remodel the EU to their taste - and are capable of passing reforms.
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Wow, who woulda thunk that the right would ally with the far right in policy :0
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Look at all those parties! The American mind struggles to comprehend this.
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While I am all for laughing at the 'Muricans for making themselves out to be the prime democratic nation on the planet while having the choice between a conservative and an ultra-conservative party only, this time, we cannot indulge in this kind of thing to feel superior. We need to make sure we actually stay superior now, which… isn't a given anymore.
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And those are just the party coalitions, where the different national parties that are sent from all 27 countries form groups based on common agendas
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Wonderful
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As a latent American, apparently, I also struggle to make sense of it (I'm planning to research those parties, but haven't gotten to it yet)
Also, naming of parties seems often misleading, maybe even on purpose
Could you recommend some resources I can use for a crash course on who's who in EP, or maybe someone can summarise the projected results and what are the expected problems?
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These political groups are formed by members elected by national voters. A group can be formed as long as they have at least 25 members from at least one quarter of EU countries. They're pretty much analogous to a party, they work in broadly the same way. In the Image above they're broadly organised from Left to Right politically:
The LEFT group is, well, pretty left. They include Communists and Socialists, and in their own way can be a bit eurosceptic, although they typically want to reform or replace the EU rather than just disbanding it.
The GREENS are also pretty left, with a focus on Climate, Animal Rights, Income Equality, Feminism, that sort of thing. They are generally pro-Europe.
The S&D group are center left. Members tend to be from say, the Labour party of various countries. They want things like fairer employment and more regulated market. They were the largest party in the EU until 1999, now the second largest.
RENEW are Center, pretty Liberal (in the Phil Ochs sense). They're pro-business and want a strong economy, but they at least talk up things like civil rights and social welfare (I don't know enough about them to judge how well they do in practise). They're very pro-EU, and have billed themselves as 'the Pro-European political group'.
The EPP are center-right, pretty conservative. Lots of 'Christian Democratic' representation. Neoliberal, want more defence spending, pro-Europe, pro-Ukraine. They say they're focused on the climate, but the Greens say that that's a lie. They've been the biggest group since 1999.
The ECR calls itself center-right (but is really a bit right-er), and 'soft-eurosceptic'. This Eurosceptism is their main thing: They support the idea of the EU, so they say, but they want to prevent it from going 'too far', with too much oversight, integration, and immigration. Some members are your standard conservative types, some are far-right.
The ID group is far-right. They don't like the EU, and are opposed to it interfering with the 'sovereignity' of States. Anti-immigration, anti-'islamisation', pro-nationalism.
Nonaligned (technically 'non-inscrits') are just that - they haven't joined with any of the above blocs.
These projected results broadly show increased support for the right over the left, but more sharply show gains for the Eurosceptic ID and Non-Inscrits (who often are Eurosceptic, but not always and I don't actually know the individual cases here) at the expense of the pro-EU Greens and Renew. So it doesn't look great for fans of the European Left.
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Traditionally, the EU has been governed by an informal coalition of the two largest groups/parties, centre-right EPP and centre-left S&D, both being pro-EU. After the last election where they underperformed, they were joined by the third largest group, centrist, pro-EU Renew.
This election, pro-EU groups collectively have lost a lot of seats while right-wing EU-sceptic groups gained seats. The most radical of these groups, ID, made the biggest gains. This will make coalition building and therefore governing way more complicated.
European parties are alliances of national parties from various member states. Those representatives elected to the European Parliament for the national parties form so called groups. Typically, these groups correspond to the European parties. Usually, it makes more sense to talk about the groups rather than the parties.
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I know! It looks like a fkn rainbow!
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Can someone knowledgeable here explain this projection in relation to green policies and carbon goals?
I assume they are now (even) less likely to be in form of mandates and we are moving towards 'capitalism (with a lil stimulus push here and there) will solve the problem it created'?
\ Tho maybe nuclear energy could also get a little bit more (re)renewed traction?Also, the whole internet surveillance isn't going away now, is it?
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With the German Pirate Party loosing its seat a strong voice against surveilance is lost.
They also supplied NGOs with information directly from the legislative process, allowing them to act faster (and sometimes you have to be very fast to comment on minor changes with great effect) I hope somebody else at least partly takes on this role.
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Too bad, yeah. But Patrick became a father and wants to continue his job as a judge at home. His work will be missed.
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The parties consistently voting in favor of green policies were Greens, Left and Socialdemocrats, with Liberals and independents varying wildly. Some decarbonization goals are still in place, but the new equilibrium may vote to revoke some of them and the actual laws to enforce them for good will likely not be passed.
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The EU past a lot of actually good policy in the last term. Namely ban of fossil fuel cars 2035, limiting certificates for the EUs carbon market, new carbon market for transport and housing and a bunch of other laws, which actually have some positive impact. For the most part the EU parliament was not only in favour, but activly pushing for it being one of the most pro enviromental policy parliaments in the world. That is probably going to stop and they likely try to kill some of the laws passed. So the key in the future will be defence for most enviromental groups. The laws which have been passed will lower emissions, but not fast enough.
As for nuclear the EU is so far this year at 73.2% clean electricity. The large countries with a lot of fossil fuels are Poland, Italy and Germany. Of those only Poland is activly pushing for nuclear. The EU parliament is not able to force the other two to do that.
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Here is a clip of a talk show where Robert Habeck of the green party explains why nuclear is not ecological:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8xznqbpv0QE
I think it is clear for most people that nuclear is not sustainable and only a short term solution. Now is actually a great opportunity to push for renewable energies also because it is important to get a foot into the market before China takes it all.
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Also, the whole internet surveillance isn't going away now, is it?
Here are the results of last chat control voting, for example:
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Tho maybe nuclear energy could also get a little bit more (re)renewed traction?
Don't hold your fingers closed, the oil lobby is behind the right, not the left.
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Can we take a moment to consider that everything is the fault of the Italians. The Italians, and only the Italians:
Why the hell are your polling stations open until 23:00? Who the hell votes at that time? Is it one of those "not cappuccino after 11 -- no voting before dusk" kind of superstitions? You're the reason we don't have proper projections yet!
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Why the hell are your polling stations open until 23:00?
That's just barely in time to vote after dinner!
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You want to make it harder to vote just to get faster unofficial projections?
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We're already done counting. They're actively not updating the results because the Italians can't be bothered to vote during daytime. On a Sunday.
EDIT: State results are in. Well, almost completely.
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Considering the next elections one should form a national party to expand pause times to multiple hours as well, so that we can bear 35 degree celcius in april 2029.
Either spains siesta approach or adapting italias layed-back attitude both sounds promising!!
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Italy has taken in a lot of refugees and will thus probably have rather high right wing voter turnout.
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This is what neoliberalism ignoring the needs of anyone who isn't a billionaire for couple of decades gets you.
Well, that and the political left selling out.
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Disgusting.
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We’re speedrunning the collapse of civilization. And people are only getting dumber. Don’t worry, it’s all gonna be over soon.
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Young voters did this, ironically enough, according to BBC World News. Young people struggling to get jobs after graduation think that right wing parties will fix that.
So as older generations are trying not to hand-off a burning planet to the young, the young are signing up for a burning planet under some delusion that right wingers will get them jobs. Schools have apparently failed to teach kids that the jobs they get under conservative governance are shit jobs -- lousy pay and lousy benefits.
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Everyone complaining about the right wing people should take another look at the +40 to 102 non aligned seats.
Those votes went to parties exploring interesting new directions instead of 1) evil or 2) boring old stuff.
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Oh look Europe is fascist, I'm so surprised. /s
Signed, an unsurprised Indigenous person.
Get your fucking shit together guys, Jesus Christ.
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As a European myself, idk why people are downvoting you
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Are the non-aligned a "party"that would rather not be named (on the right wing of things) or are they actually non aligned and would be better represented as being in the middle of this chart?
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Different fractions, some of them are not aligned yet because they are new. However, for the biggest groups: 17 MEPs are the German AfD that was kicked out of the right-most group for being too Nazi, 11 MEPs are Fidesz (Orban) which is right-wing and the list goes on, so for the most part the position is mostly correct.
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It just so utterly damn aweful. I got a frog in my neck.
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What unsettles me that the EPP plus everything right of it have a majority. The right have a majority in the parliament, and the EPP's centrism is the only think saving us from it.
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phew, green dosen't seem to be losing the most
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In percentage yes they are
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Actions, meet consequences.
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I don't know about EU politics but how are conservatives reformists? (I should mention that I am honestly asking)
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Along the lines of "Reform the EU to strengthen national authority"
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Comedic answer: In the same way, “Republicans” are standing for "State's Rights" instead of the rights of the Federal Republic: By name only. Real answer: It's all around the idea that to keep the EU “in check” and nation states sovereign (which is their main deal, aside from 'controlled immigration' as they call their specific flavor of Xenophobia), the EU needs to be reformed into a more powerless organization basically.
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Boy am I glad about how powerless the EU parliament is.
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Maybe so but it's still not a great indicator of what's going on as an average across countries.
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I'd still pick this over my national parliament
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62 projected seats for nazis... great job citizens, great job -.-
There are even more, included in Nonaligned. The German Nazis (afd 16 seats) were kicked out of ID
Not to mention they were kicked out of the Nazi group, because THEY WERE TOO EXTREME FOR THEM. Wake me up in 5 years when we can hopefully stop this...
SIXTEEN!?
sorry, I gotta vomit.
And ID got 30 seats in France. Macron is having a new election on the 30th and well
I'm voting as hard as I can, okay 🥵
I wish you could just vote harder
Not sure if we should call them Nazi, as they kicked out the German Nazis, as explained in other comments. Maybe call them nationalists or ultra nationalists?
They kicked out the German Nazis because they celebrated the SS, which is a no-go for French Nazis. Doesn't make them less Nazi, just the French kind that doesn't like to be killed by German Nazis
either you didn't picked up my sarcasm or...?
Don't forget ECR :(
ECR is shit, they're a bunch of eurosceptic, anti-immigration, libertarian conservative nationalists, but they don't hold a candle to ID, who are that, but on steroids.