California bill would require new cars to beep at speeding drivers

I’m sorry - this is just fucking stupid. Cars are becoming way too bogged down with shit like this that acts like a hovering parent who nags you constantly while having to know where you are all the time.

- The California Senate has passed SB 961, which would require “passive speed limiters” to be installed in all new cars manufactured or sold in the Golden State by 2032.
  They wouldn't be liable for speeders anyways that's criminal misuse by a third party. Just like how Craftsman isn't to blame when someone gets hit with a wrench. And there are lawful purposes for vehicles that can travel more than the state's speed limit, like racing on tracks or when rushing to a hospital in an emergency.
- This is such a stupid fucking timeline. No shit the manufacturers aren't responsible for the driving behavior of the drivers. Ugh! Like, get a fucking clue.
I want to crash my car into a brick wall every time it makes me click "okay" to the full screen warning that tells me it is my responsibility to keep my eyes on the road. Yeah, no shit, you fucking wanker.

If this passes in California, all their highways will just be a steady sound of vehicles horns.

- Be that as it may, I like his thought of a freeway just honking along like cicadas. My god it would be magnificently annoying.
the headline is very misleading. There is no beeping at other drivers, or honking of horns.
Just a notification to you, the driver of your own car if your car a) knows the local speed and b) is exceeding it by a set amount.
This notification can be disabled.
like, if you're in a 30 zone, and go 35, your satnav/gps will go "ding!" and a small light will go on the dash/lcd screen.

We just got an electric car that does this and it's annoying as fuck because it often messes up the speed limit and tells you that you are going too fast even though you are not.

My thoughts exactly. There’s no way it’s going to be correct for every situation. It can’t take into account changing road conditions.
- It's not even just the changing conditions. It just has wrong speed limit data in some areas and spmetimes it says there is work being done on the road where there isnt and similar

Y'all trying to create more GOP'er with this asinine shit. Jesus Christ I'm tired of this nanny state shit.

Personally, and this is just me I suppose, I'm in favor of laws that serve to keep people safe
- Then do something worthwhile and effective instead of pointless shit that just pisses people off. You have limited political capital and this isn't worth it. Especially when it ends up affecting folks on the other side of the country.
- I don't see how this will make anyone safer. It's going to be training people to ignore honking.
- I am too. I just don’t believe this will do that. It’ll just piss everyone off and mandate surveillance in cars
- My blind spot warning lights are never off. That makes them useless
- Fuck off
How the fuck does getting a speeding indicator mean that you have a nanny state? Merely being given information is too much for you?
- Because I don't want a beep every 20 seconds. It's annoying. Same with the constant beep if I drive my car 50ft down the driveway without a seatbelt.
  Nobody in the US is speeding on accident nobody wants alerts. The only thing this would be useful for is driving through long speed traps with average speed which didn't exist here.
  It only exists to annoy the driver. And if it were a useful feature, not a nagging device you would be allowed to turn it off. Nanny state.
- The motion was introduced by a democratic senator. Seriously... read the article.

California freeways are 65mph. Unless there is traffic, most drivers tend to go around 80mph. They will be constant.

In my opinion, this is trying to tackle the issue in a poor manner. People who are speeding already know that they are, so it's not like a beep or visual warning is going to cause them to change their behavior. It's trying to force a technical solution to a non-technical issue.

I just can't wait to see how quickly someone finds a way to bypass this nanny bullshit.

Unless there is traffic, most drivers tend to go around 80mph.
And they aren't constantly getting into accidents? Wild. Someone should tell the politicians that this might not be the source of the problem.
- And they aren't constantly getting into accidents?
  Nope. The major freeways in California are giant 8 lane straight lines. You could drive 100 mph on them and be perfectly safe. You can see 5 miles ahead of you, and there are no curves or anything to fuck you up. The 65 mph speed limit is just there so that they can write speeding tickets whenever they want more money.
Getting information is "nanny"?
- Information by itself, no.
  Having something constantly watch my behavior and nag me when I'm being "bad" is, yes.

There's a really good way to reduce speeding without dumb moves like this. Design the road for the speed you want. Most roads in the US are created first without speed limit concerns, only labeling them based on a weird metric of how fast cars drive through them. Then if they are going too fast, governments just put up more warning signs and call it a day.

There are many techniques in the road design handbook that can be used to make drivers subconsciously slow down for their own perceived safety. And it works! So let's do more of that and less of this "make car beep" nonsense.

Hollister, CA tried to implement one of those designs and it was comically horrible. Look it up. The stupidest fucking road I’ve ever seen. Made you drive like a drunk person on what otherwise is 25-35mph residential super straight road.

People will just pull whatever fuse it's on, or find a bypass

They won't even hear it over the Netflix they're watching on their phones.
- On the phones? Friend, we have huge-ass screens in cars now. With 7.1 sound system
They'll put it on the same fuse that powers your ignition or some shit, so you can't pull it, just like they've done to the fuses responsible for them sending all their massively intrusive tracking information back to the company.

I really hope this doesn't apply to freeways

I really hope it does
- Exactly - stick to the speed limit and the car won't beep. Some cars have this as an option already (my 2019 Kia Niro hybrid has) and I set the limit, it's a bit of a faff and I don't often use it as I stick to speed limits anyway. It wouldn't be a great leap to connect this to the car's GPS/Mapping system.
  Of course you'll have those that think speed limits are for other people/petrol heads complaining about their 'rights' and all that guff.
Yeah like… how fast do you have to drive before the beeps? I always heard 5-10 over is standard
- Article says 10mph over the limit
The bill sets the limit at 10 mp/h (16 km/h) over the limit before warning drivers. If they're doing this, I'd rather it was something like 2 km/h + 15% over the limit, but that part is pretty reasonable. There's no reason why anyone needs to be doing more than 16 km/h over the speed limit outside of emergencies.
16 km/h over the limit in a school zone is way too fast, though, but using my suggestion above as an arbitrary alternative, going up to 30 + 3 + 4.5 = 37.5 km/h in a 30-limit school zone wouldn't beep at you. That seems reasonable. Fatality numbers are a lot higher at even 40, so letting drivers get to 46 without an additional warning is almost useless.

If they could automate vehicles this wouldn't be an issue. The current tech isn't there so what if we put them on tracks so they can't crash? We could make them bigger so lots of people could go at the same time and fewer vehicles would be on the road. You wouldn't even have to own it, they could have a regular schedule so you know where and when to ride in one!

Nah, that will never work. Beeping at a driver occasionally though, that will fix things.

And this would do what?

For the minority of drivers, get them to slow down. For the majority who speed, same as the seat belt alarm that annoys them but fails to get them to buckle up.
Anoy people until they go crazy and shoot up a mall.

Did op change the title? That's pretty much what it says right now
- beep = sounding your horn. In the USA, they use the term "beeping the horn".
  this doesn't have anything to do with the horn.

Reading about state legislatures is always wild. They always use moon logic when debating and rarely mention the actual content of the bill. Driver deaths are spiking due to greater instances of inebriation on the road therefore to fix it the State of California needs to be able to track all drivers via GPS. Makes sense to me, why not.

(a) As used in this article, “passive intelligent speed assistance system” means an integrated vehicle system that uses, at minimum, the GPS location of the vehicle compared with a database of posted speed limits, to determine the speed limit, and utilizes a brief, one-time visual and audio signal to alert the driver each time they exceed the speed limit by more than 10 miles per hour.

My favorite part of that is “what database?” If it’s local, who is responsible for updating it and how often. If it’s remote, who is responsible for updating it, how often and who pays for the connectivity costs and equipment?
Also since it’s GPS based, does this mean all new cars in CA will come with free Nav systems? (I know, I know)
My vehicle already displays the speed limit on the dash. This could be met with a firmware update. Doesn't say anything about sharing that information, it just needs to send a beep and flash a light to the driver one time. Kind of misleading to say that California will be tracking drivers. They're just trying to require a new annoyance in cars, similar to the one that beeps if your seat belt isn't buckled.

Many cars used to do this. There is a reason they don’t build this feature any longer.

Mandatory distractions. What could go wrong?

How about automatically beeping at people who can't figure out how to use the god damn passing lane as it is intended?

Better yet, get V2V standard implemented and when the front facing radar senses you're less than five mph and you have more than quarter mile between you an the next car in the right lane and you have a approaching car from behind, have the car audio automatically be taken over with nothing but chorus from Move by Ludacris, ft. Mystikal & I-20 until your dumb ass moves over.