1y ago

'Horrific' violence at UCLA after counter-protesters attack pro-Palestinian camp

www.bbc.com

Violence erupted at the University of California, Los Angeles after pro-Israeli counter-demonstrators attacked a pro-Palestinian campus encampment. Bubbling tensions on the campus boiled over following the alleged breach of a "buffer zone" between the rival groups.

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1y ago

UCLA clashes: Police criticised for 'delayed' response to violence

www.bbc.com /news/world-us-canada-68937775

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"Law enforcement simply stood at the edge of the lawn and refused to budge as we screamed for their help," UC Divest at LA, a group involved in the encampment, said in a statement.
Fucking disgusting
- ACAB.
- Well trained by the IDF, they act exactly the same as when settlers attack Palestinians. They'll only intervene if you fight back.
- So let me make sure I understand your point: the pro-Palestinian protestors should have opened fire and killed the counter-protestors?
  
  Guns being present would have only resulted in many MANY deaths. That’s what you want?
  
  This is an uninstructive conversation. We do not need this sort of shit stirring about this topic because it is important.
  Do not show up to a protest with a gun either alone or unannounced. Thats just Rittenhouse behaviour. Be a part of a militia or with some group, and contact the event organizers before arriving. They'll probably tell your group to wait in a near by location and to be called when needed.
  Also getting beat up is the point of these protests. Columbia unreasonably responded with violence against their own students and faculty. It was a total blunder that they made habitually. Making them fascists drop their masks for everyone to see is the goal here.
  
  Ask Mark Hughes about what happens when you show up armed to a protest.
  
  Michael Reinoehl killed a fash, then the police executed him in a suburban neighborhood. There's no scenario where a leftwing person kills a fascist in self defense and their police buddies say it was a good shooting.
  
  What would have the police and the media done after that?
- I guess since the police have shown they are not willing to protect the people, the people must take the responsibility of their safety and security upon themselves.
On brand.
- Supporters of Israeli genocide commit violence.
  I'm shocked.
  Shocked and appalled.
  This is so out of character for genocidalists.
  
  zionists turned into genocidalists. it all starts with God.
  
  I was sat down reading this and still ended up on the floor in pure shock.
Jewish Federation Los Angeles meanwhile blamed the university's chancellor for allowing "an environment to be created over many months that has made students feel unsafe".
The group demanded that the encampment be cleared and that UCLA meet leaders of the Jewish community.
Fucking hell, this is such a callous response. In any other situation, the group representing the side that just had masked vigilantes attack peaceful demonstrators would make amends. "These people don't represent our movement. We disavow them and what they stand for." And so on.
I see they're taking a page from Israel's book: refuse to apologize, defend unprovoked violence, and blame the victims on top of everything else.
- Your school's protests against violence is making the school unsafe and therefore it's the schools fault for the violence that falls upon it. That's basically what they said.
  
  Lol, it's not my fault I'm beating you in the face. It's the school's fault I'm beating you in the face.
- meet leaders of the Jewish community.
  Never leaders of the palestinian community...
All these police attacks on Pro-Palestine rallies are just bringing more attention that would have faded away.
And the unprovoked violent attacks will cause more people to start to question the Israel war and the US support of it. People will start to wonder why supporting normal Palestine people is an idea to attack peaceful rallies and to take away the right to protest.
You wont hear mainstream media question why the police retracted a short moment before pro-Israeli thugs stormed in the encampment and attack the peaceful protesters, they came back in to only arrest the pro-palestine protesters. the establishment has payed to end the protests and establishment media are only parading the side of the story the have been paid for to.
- Lemmy needs a payed vs paid bot
  
  They sealed the deck with tar to prevent pesky protestors from leaking in.
- So now I am left with no sources and no idea if it is a real thing or not. One thing ~~twitter~~ x has for it is the readers context.
  However idk if the same would work in relatively one sided isolated env
The descriptions suggest the counter protesters are not students but people whipped up from outside the school by media.
We know why students wouldn't have jobs but who the fuck are these people attacking the kids?
- Here's a video. Some are middle aged men attacking the students. https://x.com/ryangrim/status/1785622283161067568
  
  Often I think, while smashing things and screaming "FUCK YOU OLD LADY!", that I must definitely be in the right.
- More fucking Rittenhouses I assume
  
  These idiots couldn't answer a single fucking question about Israel or Palestine but the people protesting are "libs" and the brainwashing of "my tribe vs their tribe" appears to be as effective as ever
- The same cops that attack protesters during the day, just off duty. Still paid overtime, somehow, because reasons.
You can have violence from the police, or you can have counter-protest violence. The police have proven time and again they will stand back and do nothing while the people protesting for any liberal idea (sad that the left seems to be the only one interested in things like peace, equality, and justice) get beaten by the right.
- The Palestinian homeland isn't even a liberal idea though.
  
  True, but being anti genocide, anti colonialism, and anti war often are. Just so happens that these ideas and Palestinian statehood are simpatico at the moment.
- I mean you could have protestor violence, but for some reason that’s just outright dismissed as lunacy.
  
  That’s when the police beat you.
  If there aren’t regular right wingers beating protesters, the police step in and do it.
Isn’t it interesting how Israel and pro-Israel people apply the exact same tactic?! Let’s attack innocent people. Whether it’s bombing innocent civilians or violently attacking peaceful protestors. It’s so telling. They are rotten to their core.
- That's what 80 years of cultural righteousness gets you. You start to think you can do no wrong.
  Cue up the "I learned it from you" meme because the USA showed Israel how it's done.
  
  It's just plain old Fascism.
  Etnic/nationalistic/cultural righteousness (aka nationalistic racism) is one of the foundational blocks of it along with violence.
  Unlike Europe, Israel hasn't realy evolved in social and political terms from the kind of thinking so prevalent in the early XX century.
I think this is a good example of how vigilantes often work to support the state's goals when it can't legally/easily complete their goals.
For every fascistic government still bound by laws, there will be fascists willing to ignore them to support it. See this. See the KKK carrying out lynchings on people who are barely escaping the grasp of the state. See the settlers illegally settling on Palestinian land to carry out the state's goals of ethnic cleansing.
- Hate is a powerful tool used by fascists to rally people to violence. Every one of these attackers should be arrested and thrown in prison.
  
  Hate is a strong motivator but it uses up too much fuel and burns itself out. To see it only as hate is a bit reductionist. You can only use hate to motivate yourself for so long.
  Fear, envy, and uncertainty/fear of the future are much more longstanding motivators used to continue fascist creep.
  Regardless, fascists align themselves with the state. The police often can’t get away with crushing protesters without suffering bad PR, and risking strengthening popular support when images of police brutality evoke memories of past brutalities.
  Fascist vigilantes don’t care about PR, and they might get the support of the police (or they get the police’s non-support of their enemies) or even the government
  
  Vigilante porn is too useful as propaganda. Americans, especially, love the imagery of a tough person who steps up and does "the right thing," where traditional tools of enforcement are weakened by corruption, incompetence, or policy. Doesn't matter if it's Dirty Harry, Batman, or some Christian Nationalist with a sharpened flagpole.
- Yep.
  If we travel back in time a little bit you will find obvious examples, such as the police working directly with the klan (specifically the 2nd klan) and instances of sherrifs deputizing people to allow them to carry out extreme violence against bipoc
People supporting genocide are violent.
What a surprise.
"Counter-protesters"?
This is an example of a news organization trying so hard to be neutral that they end up taking a side.
- Fuck Granite! Fuck Cement! Fuck Wood! Fuck All Counters!
  All Counters Are Bad!
Jesus Christ. All over students protesting that their university is openly supporting a regime committing genocide and crimes against humanity.
Obviously it's the zionists who attack others
Angry and lashing out. This time the Israeli genocide was called out and the world was made more aware. And the usual cover given challenged thanks to these protests. The dehumanization of Palestinian people by supporters of Israel's genocide is frightening.
Police Prevent Crime! I mean Police Protect us from Crime! I mean Police Solve Crimes! I mean
How come the only videos we can see are ones from news stations with talking heads?
Shouldn't there be a bunch of raw camera footage taken with people's phones?
I don't need some shitty news station to curate or manufacture information for me.
Someone couldve run up behind that one and unmasked him
after Israel supporters attack pro-Palestinean camp FTFY
How is it that on this one topic, all rational discourse is completely absent? I mean there's some topics where one side is completely irrational, sure. But when it comes to Israel-Palestine, everyone on all sides is just completely and often violently nonsensical.
- Found the Enlightened Centrist!
  
  See that in itself is a perfect example because it's both a hasty generalization, and an ad hominem.
- How is it that on this one topic, all rational discourse is completely absent?
  It isn't.
  
  Find me one rational argument about Israel and/or Palestine. Any one, from anywhere, at any time in history.
It is unfortunate that the very small % of people that choose violence tend to only make things worse not better.
Bruh check out the comments on the locked threads on reddit. Blue conservatives as far as the eye can see.
- Link?
Does anyone know what political stance(s) the attacking crowd is made of?
Like, also lefties? Tankies, anarchists? Or like MAGAs?
- why the hell would tankies and anarchist side with the counter protestors. palestine litterally isnt a state yet(its trying to get accepted in the UN)
- Sorry, are you following this story generally? Lefties, tankies and anarchists all seem extremely unlikely to be involved with pro Israel attackers.
  
  Ok wow. First, thanks to everyone who have their estimates. Appreciated. And for everyone else and the warriors of downvoting: No I was not trolling abd not it's not THAT unilkely for it to be lefties (yes okay anarchists and tankies I mostly said as exmples so you know what I'm trying to ask)
  If you are interested: there is a german lefty flavor called Antideutsche (anti-german). They are Zionists, antifas, anticapitalist, have a thing for violence (stylizing "bomber harris" for example), say weird thing like "protecting ur environment is like protecting your 'home country' like nazis would" and sometimes think of whoever basically as if they were nazis.
  I'm not making this up, lefties go weird ways sometimes.
  Edit readibility
- Are you trolling?
  
  No, see response in other comment
- Zionists, probably wouldn't surprise me if they made common cause with actual neo-nazi groups as well, wouldn't be the first time.
- I'm gonna go out on a limb and say "not the left", and leave the rest as an exercise to the reader.
- Zionists, Democrats, and Republicans.
- MAGAs. because american conservatives are often also american evangelists, and they've got some weird ideas about israel. those conservatives who don't necessarily personally believe weird stuff about israel (ie the jews having a homeland means the second coming of jesus and everything will be great for evangelical christians) are being brought along by the right-wing propaganda on this issue.
  
  Alt-Right just likes attacking leftwing protests. No actual political beliefs required. It's the physical version of owning the libs.
- I’ve seen reports that they were Chabad Lubavitch. Not sure of the accuracy.
  
  There were two attacks on different days, so it could be separate groups, but a Jewish professor who intervened said a lot of them were speaking Hebrew and one carried a Chabad flag.
- For every large group there's probably only only 2-8 that are genuinely knowledgeable and authentic about the beliefs being fought for. Regardless of sides.
  Or not idk... Idk why I'm posting this.
Shows you what this is really about
Its weird yo see they York University was so far ahead of its time with this stuff.
The good people need to arm themselves.

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