In retaliation to the Pit bull haters,

You're dogs are cute, But I'm sticking with the numbers on this one. I don't think any pits living right now should be put down, but I strongly believe we should stop breeding them entirely.

Just a head's up but not a single police department in the nation DNA tests or even has a spot on their reports to label which specific breed of dog caused the attack, there is also roughly a dozen different breeds on the list of dogs commonly mistaken for pits.
Anybody telling you pits are responsible for any percentage of dog attacks is lying by giving a number not scientifically achieved.
- In 2009, the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia released a five-year review of dog-bite injuries. The review states that 51 percent of attacks were made by pit bulls.
  https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19644273/
  In 2009, another study was published by the American Journal of Forensic Medicine and Pathology. The study ran for 15 years and it has concluded that pit bulls, German Shepherds, and Rottweilers are among the most common breeds that cause fatal dog attacks in Kentucky State.
  https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19696575/
  In 2011, the Annals of Surgery published a study, which concluded that Pitbull attacks lead to more expensive hospital bills, higher risk of death, and higher morbidity rates compared to other breeds of dogs.
  https://journals.lww.com/annalsofsurgery/Abstract/2011/04000/Mortality,_Mauling,_and_Maiming_by_Vicious_Dogs.23.aspx
- Uhm….what about 99% of videos ever posted about someone being attacked by a dog. And nobody is surprised when it’s a pitbull.
I'd love a study on what kind of masters the bloodthirsty dogs have. I'm willing to bet those dogs had masters that encouraged the behavior or got them because the breed is macho and never intended to be responsible about it.
I did not call everyone a dog rasict, I called the person say it was good that pitbull were being put down in the UK a dog rasict. But by your logic, we should have killed all Germans in WW2 because Germany was the home on the Nazi party and killed millions of people, but that's wrong because not every Germany killed a person. And to say that we should kill something because it's "in there nature" is harmful to all life because it sets an unrealistic expectation of what it is like. I'm not gonna deny that pitbulls attack people, but a dog rarely attacks people for nothing, and often the reason is out of fear or abuse.
fuck these animals
Eh the animals did nothing wrong. They didn't ask to be born as the artificially selected abominations we've made them into. Fuck people who continue to breed these animals and don't spay/neuter their pits.
Never met a mean pit in my life you're just off your meds again; if you treat a dog like shit it'll act like shit if you treat it well it will act well most of the time. And your statement about pitbulls being fighting dogs is bs they were bred to quite literally "pit bulls" my guy.
- So many studies posted here and you decide to throw up anecdotal evidence like it means anything.
  Why are so many randoms digging up this year old post? Go share your opinions on live threads instead.
Yeah, I wouldn't say I'm a hater. I just have a healthy skepticism driven by statistics and a distaste for the way the breed is marketed/treated by people.
This is bullshit. In more than half of dog bites the breed is unknown. So that's the end of your line of reasoning. You simply don't know and cannot say their "nature."
They were bred for hunting. Some people used some of them for fighting dogs years after they were first bred and used for decades as hunting dogs. Of the few that were used in fighting, dogs that bit humans were not allowed to fight and so were euthanized
Edit: abject know-nothings and science deniers downvoting me.
- In more than half of dog bites the breed is unknown. So that's the end of your line of reasoning.
  Are you able to provide a link or a study stating this, or are you just providing your opinion here? Happy to have this discussion. But you seem to just be angrily dismissing my comment out of disagreement rather than facts.
  The bull-and-terrier was a breed of dog developed in the United Kingdom in the early 19th century for the blood sports of dog fighting and rat baiting. It was created by crossing the ferocious, thickly muscled Old English Bulldog with the agile, lithe, feisty Black and Tan Terrier. The aggressive Old English Bulldog, which was bred for bear and bull baiting, was often also pitted against its own kind in organised dog fights, but it was found that lighter, faster dogs were better suited to dogfighting than the heavier Bulldog. To produce a lighter, faster, more agile dog that retained the courage and tenacity of the Bulldog, outcrosses from local terriers were tried, and ultimately found to be successful.
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull
  They were made primary for dog fighting, and fighting is ingrained into their nature, in the same way that retrievers were made to retrieve. I have also provided information in another comment here that breaks down the fatalities caused by dog breeds each year and pit bulls kill more than all other breeds combined.
  Even if they were bred for something else entirely a singular breed of dogs causing the majority of fatalities each year is clearly dangerous. So dangerous that something should be done to ensure the public's safety.
- They were bred explicitly for fighting. First fighting bulls in pits, hence Pitbull. That was outlawed. It was deemed unfair to pit different animals against each other in a fight. So pitbulls were then bred to fight other dogs.
  Pitbulls were killed when they wouldn't fight, or were beat by another dog. The breeders didn't care about them bitting humans. They wouldn't keep them as pets as they were for fighting.
breed was responsible for 22.5% of bites across all studies. Mixed breeds were a close second at 21.2% and German Shepherds were the third most dangerous breed, involved in 17.8% of bite incidents.
where the fuck do you get 60-80%???
also, 100% of dog fights use pit bulls…
abused dogs lead to bites….
aka, it’s the owner’s fault.
OP must be an American. Can’t convince me otherwise.

If poodles went around ripping people apart, people would hate them too

"If". Pfft
- Might wanna check the comments again.

So glad the UK outlawed these bully xl things. Not a day goes by it doesn't maul one child or another

Fuckin dog racist.
- Absolutely assinine that people can't have squirrels or raccoons as pets, but dogs bred for centuries to brutally murder eachother in pit matches are free game.

I had two roommates who both had pitbulls. Both very loving owners. These dogs were treated right. But they could not coexist.

After one fight too many, one of the owners got mauled by his own dog after trying to break the dogs up. He almost lost his hand.

Ban pitbulls.

"BuT mY WiTtLe pRiNcEsS WoUlD NeVeR HuRt a FlY!"

Retaliation isn't very wholesome.

Especially when some power fantasy tripping mod already removed the comments in question, so there isnt even anything to retaliate in response to.
If it needs a CW(Content Warning) tag then it shouldnt be in a "wholesome" community. And yes obviously it needs that because countless people are traumatised by these kinds of dogs.

In 2009, the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia released a five-year review of dog-bite injuries. The review states that 51 percent of attacks were made by pit bulls.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19644273/

In 2009, another study was published by the American Journal of Forensic Medicine and Pathology. The study ran for 15 years and it has concluded that pit bulls, German Shepherds, and Rottweilers are among the most common breeds that cause fatal dog attacks in Kentucky State.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19696575/

In 2011, the Annals of Surgery published a study, which concluded that Pitbull attacks lead to more expensive hospital bills, higher risk of death, and higher morbidity rates compared to other breeds of dogs.

https://journals.lww.com/annalsofsurgery/Abstract/2011/04000/Mortality,_Mauling,_and_Maiming_by_Vicious_Dogs.23.aspx

Wow, lots of people with strong feelings whose version of "I did my research!" is remembering what stories the newspapers wrote because they knew it would spark outrage and attract eyeballs, and hearsay on friend-of-a-friend stories.

So called "bully breeds" are the best dogs I've ever met. I fucking love cuddling with those meatheads. Cane Corsos, Dobermans, and Rottweilers are amazing, loyal, and loving, too.

I've been bitten and needed stitches from both a Chihuahua and a Poodle. My daughter was bit by a absolute shit of a Bichon, and my ex was bit by a Husky when she was a kid. Fuck those dogs we should outlaw and euthanize them all, right breed-banners? Or maybe it does indeed have to do a LOT with nurture, and very little with nature? (or in the case of my ex (according to her Mom) because she wouldn't stop harassing the dog).

However, I've met some nice poodles and chihuahuas and huskies too (not bichons though, little assholes), but I'm not so fucking dumb and shallow as to say we need to outlaw them all, just that owners should absolutely be responsible and liable for their pets' behaviour.

PS - OP your dogs are cute as hell. Look at those smiles!

Chihuahuas are demonic little shits, and if they were the same size as a pitbull, they'd be banned everywhere. The only reason they're tolerated is because they're too small to do any major damage.
Thank you, and yes, your absolutely right. Any dog is capable of violence, but I think the reason pitbulls have this reputation is because many people want them as an attack/defense dog and don't actually know how to care for them in a way that keeps them calm.
- Same could be said for Rotties, Dobermans, Shepherds, and so on. It's not the dogs that are shitty; it's the people that own them. Address that problem and leave the dogs alone FFS.
I mean, it is a little bit about nature as the different dog breeds were bred for very specific purposes. That just puts responsibility on the owner to know about this and act accordingly (i possible, not every dog is a pure blood breed). And most importantly to know your dog and act accordingly.

What a shitty post.

I love pitbulls.

I hate irresponsible people who don't recognize the inherent danger associated to improper handling of pitbulls who put infants right under them to walk across the room and take a pictures just to try to piss off people who recognize their potential for mauling.

Right before they leave the gate unlocked, the pitbull gets out, kills another person's dog and rips out their Achilles tendon.

"I never thought that could happen! Killer was always such a sweet and gentle dog! How could I have ever predicted this or prevented it!"

YES. FINALLY SOMEONE AGREES. Proper care of a dog and understanding its behavior is key to stopping accidents like maulings.
- Thanks for helping me know who to block. These fucking idiots pop their heads up with their half-remembered sound bites of "facts", and the block button is really the only answer. I don't talk to prairie dogs or dust bunnies either, but these morons are more tenacious.
  Also, here's my darling boy rescue (from a "foster" that had him on Prozac as a puppy rather than CARE for him — cut from the same cloth as these assclowns 😭🤬🖕🏽), for solidarity and reference: while he's technically a Staffordshire-Boxer, I've raised my fair share of Pitty rescues, including an Akita-Pit that was a champion of everyone and smarter than the average human by far. 🥰
- If you as an owner allow an "accident" like that, you should go to jail for years and never be allowed to own any pets for the rest of your life.

Those aren't actually OPs dogs. This is a bait.

Your right. One of them is my friends. I never claimed both were mine.

We're all very disappointed with your attitude.

Every single pitbull I've met has been nothing but loving and kind. I understand the context about people who don't like them as they've probably seen things in the media about how pitbulls act, or something in a similar nature. I would believe that the media is just trying to get you scared, as I remember one time with a different story about a city I live nearby to, and how I said I was scared to go into the city due to the gun violence, when one of the people who live in the city said that they live in the hood, and have no trouble getting to where they need to go, which personally made me feel a lot better. That's what I currently believe this situation is like. I do understand that this may not change some opinions with some people, just think about it, please.

You're dismissing the people who have made their opinion from the overwhelming scientific data on this subject.
- I consider that "media"

I just want to scritch their cute memoryfoam heads.

Just wondering? How hard is it for some of you to say "aww cute, doggy"or something like that?

- Holy shit this was an aggressive response.

Yeah no, Pit bulls should be banned.

I just want to say op, you have two great looking pups! I can guarantee Teddy is the best cuddler.

They really are fucking adorable. 10/10 would give them snuggles and scratches.
Then again, I also like 100% of animals, so 🤷‍♀️

https://youtu.be/ccaNQ7etlNw?feature=shared

Its so odd how people defend the continued existence of these creatures.
What kind of twisted brain do you need to have, to defend something that regularly attacks and injures, sometimes even kills completely innocent people.
- What kind of twisted brain do you need to have, to defend something that regularly attacks and injures, sometimes even kills completely innocent people.
  You also just described a human.
- Do you know what a snake is?
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Cute, but should be put down as all others of this race

Can we put down the bad humans too then? Dogs aren't inherently bad or good, it's how they are treated and the resources they have access to, strangely much like us humans?! Weird!
- Except this breed was created by us specifically for its violence. It's in their genes. As far as I know there was no artificial breeding for pure violent humans. We created this abomination, we should put and end to it

Statistics by definition is presenting empirical data and that's what most people think of when they hear statistics. Most scientists studying statistics actually spend much more of their time developing and studying methods of data collection rather than crunching numbers. The reason for this is you cannot have meaning statistics if the data set is not accurate. And I love you all and your experiences matter but they bear no scientific weight.

4 out of 5 dentists agree that every time you see a static it's complete and total bullshit. Flawed data collection leads to flawed results which leads to flawed conclusions. But people sure do get excited when numbers validate their biases.

Very cute dogs

They look so happy and fuzzy and cuddly

I'll acknowledge that this particular breed may be responsible for the most aggressive dog attacks, but I'd also assume there's a correlation between aggression in dogs and the environment they're brought up in.

It's the nature vs nurture debate but for K9s. Both are probably legitimate factors. But I'd argue, give a pit bull a loving home and good training - something all dogs deserve - and they'll never hurt a soul.

Problem is, idiots with no respect for animals tend to seek out "tough" dog breeds and torture them until they're ready too attack anyone and everyone. Fuck people. People=Shit.

I'm not sure any post in a 'wholesome' community should include the word 'retaliation'. Retort? Sure. Response. Absolutely. Reply? Fine. But retaliation? Not exactly wholesome.