Federal judge blocks California law that would have banned carrying firearms in most public places
Federal judge blocks California law that would have banned carrying firearms in most public places
A federal judge has blocked a California law that banned carrying firearms in most public places, ruling that it violates the 2nd Amendment.
A federal judge on Wednesday temporarily blocked a California law that would have banned carrying firearms in most public places, ruling that it violates the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution and deprives people of their ability to defend themselves and their loved ones.
The law signed by Gov. Gavin Newsom in September was set to take effect Jan. 1. It would have prohibited people from carrying concealed guns in 26 places including public parks and playgrounds, churches, banks and zoos. The ban would apply whether the person has a permit to carry a concealed weapon or not. One exception would be for privately owned businesses that put up signs saying people are allowed to bring guns on their premises.
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The US is so fucking dumb.
Let's make murdering someone as easy as pointing and clicking, can't be any consequences from that!
America was founded by guns and it is chock full of them. There is no way to put that genie back in the bottle.
There literally is, it's called a constitutional amendment and they've been enacted many times before.
Of course, there's not the political will for it, because, like I said, The US is so fucking dumb.
I think guns and abortion are great distractions because both sides will never stop fighting for them.
Meanwhile, we're all getting fucked as the disparity in wealth continues to grow.
People can care about more than one issue.
If the republicans dropped abortion 100% or the democrats dropped guns 100% either could win nationally in a landslide.
So you're saying if Democrats just ignore mass shooting problems after god knows how many dead schoolchildren, it's worth it for the win?
No, but if they stopped actively encouraging them to generate political capital and focused on things that would actually prevent them rather than scapegoating legal and constitutionally protected gun ownership it would not turn away a massive amount of otherwise swing voters.
and focused on things that would actually prevent them
You mean like universal healthcare? Because I'm pretty sure they are focused on that. They also just want to do the absolutely horrible anti-American anti-freedom measure of keeping guns out of the hands of crazy people so there might be a handful fewer dead children.
But I suppose keeping guns out of the hands of crazy people is just scapegoating. After all, when has a psycho ever done anything dangerous?
So then why does every single proposal overwhelmingly affect law abiding citizens while only serving to give criminals even softer targets?
Also, are you talking about cable news style mass shootings like everyone thinks when they hear the term (Aurora, Pulse etc) or daily gang violence to inflate statistics? They are wildly different issues so actual meaningful solutions aren't one size fits all (but with a surprising overlap).
So then why does every single proposal overwhelmingly affect law abiding citizens while only serving to give criminals even softer targets?
Please demonstrate that every single proposal does that.
Also, are you talking about cable news style mass shootings like everyone thinks when they hear the term (Aurora, Pulse etc) or daily gang violence to inflate statistics?
Sorry, are you saying that because mass shootings are not daily then they aren't a problem?
But will they discuss more than one issue at a time? It's still completely valid to point out how asinine and unnecessary some conversations are. Eating up room is a valid deflection strategy, after all.
I don't think it is productive to talk about gun regulation and abortion in the same conversation.
I'm not saying you should mix convos... I'm saying stop dragging out the stupid ones. The other poster is fully correct when they say some conversations are beyond meaningless and are absolutely used to distract people from bigger issues.
It's only a stupid argument if you don't care about children being shot up in schools. Me, I care about that.
Nice gaslighting. Where did I ever say I disagree that it's a problem? Are you seriously going to get so upset that you're going to miss the utterly obvious point of, "don't take the topic change bait"? It's literally the main way people deploy what-about-ism...
I'm pretty sure the attempt at changing the topic was the person who wrote:
I think guns and abortion are great distractions because both sides will never stop fighting for them.
Meanwhile, we’re all getting fucked as the disparity in wealth continues to grow.
Since that is not the topic of conversation in this thread. Hence my replying to them.
"Hey guys, they passed a constitutional amendment. We better turn all our guns in."
-Like 4 Americans
Guns wouldn’t disappear overnight ofc. But make owning guns illegal, arrest people who own them and create buyback programs. It might take some time. It might be super fast.
But you know what for sure wouldn’t solve anything? Doing nothing.
Like I said:
The US is so fucking dumb
Australia did it and it worked pretty well for them. You just make gun ownership illegal, ask for them back in a reasonable timeframe, and then tell the cops to stop murdering unarmed black people for a minute to go chase down the rest of the guns that weren’t turned in at the end of the process. Then when youre done, you disincentivize bad actors by ramping up the penalties for gun possession significantly, and actually enforce those laws.
It’s not hard, just needs to be done.
If people want to be felons that's their choice, but it's absurd to suggest any armed resistance would occur, or matter, in such an instance
As the previous person said there is no way to get it done. Yes there is something called a constitutional amendment, but if there is no realistic way to get it passed then effectively there is no way to get it done.
Yes, because the US is so fucking dumb.
As the previous person said there is no way to get it done
The "we've tried nothing and were all out of isdeas" approach...
I mean, I think California just tried something. New York, D.C., New Jersey, Illinois/Chicago, and some other places too.
But you can’t change the constitution!!!
Sure there is. It's easy.
Just start giving black people guns.
The so-called second amendment absolutists will be calling for draconian gun control measures within a week.
"Arm the homeless"
Here's a solution:
Ban straw sales/gun show loopholes, improve auditing/background checks, do gun buybacks above rate, and ban AR sales after X date. Bought before the date, you're grandfathered in but can't sell/gift the weapon.
Here's a solution:
Ban straw sales/gun show loopholes, improve auditing/background checks, do gun buybacks above rate, and ban AR sales after X date. Bought before the date, you're grandfathered in but can't sell/gift the weapon.