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both can be right.
Aye. Also bans happen on and by every instance/community with a mod team that isnt worthless. Sometimes you just need to ban people.
I've gotten bans in communities on .ml that I haven't even commented in for things they didn't like me saying in a different community on their instance. Nowhere else has done this. I now expect 4 bans in .ml communities.
I agree this is dumb and childish, but whats really the issue here? They can decide what and who they want to see on their site. It doesnt affect your usage of lemmy in general, just the communities hosted on the server that decided they dont like you.
There is the double standards.
The fact that they ban people from communities they haven't interacted with over not liking your shit when they bitch about being silenced.
It seems like they want everyone to bend the knee to their echo chamber.
I don't know how I haven't been downvoted by them for this.
Probably because they cant see your comment because you are banned lmao. I would love if everyone just got along with each other, but taking instance admins ability, to decide what they want to store on their server, away from them is definitely not a strategy that leads anywhere but a cesspool of shit.
Thank you for your insight. It's been pleasant discussing this with you.
Can I ask you to do something? Totally up to you. But if you look for Prole in the modlog and read the exchange they had with Brain in a box today, it highlights what I mean by double standards.
I get people don't want a cesspool and I'm one of them, but it seems like .ml wants a particular type of cesspool.
Yeah they for sure want a VERY specific pool of people and im happy to be able to observe it from the outside from time to time.
Multiple simultaneous community bans are almost always artifacts of a site ban. Site bans don't reliably federate in the modlog, so you have to check the modlog at the site that banned you: https://lemmy.ml/modlog?actionType=ModBan&userId=5313048
It's one thing to ban someone for posts and content on the instance itself
It's very modern-Reddit like to ban someone who never posted anything on your instance's communities
The nature of federation means that even if you never post anything to my instance, your garbage may still be visible to my people via tangential interactions on shared linked instances. Bans solve this on the local instance level and are by far the easiest way to accomplish this.
(To be clear, the "you" in this is not referring to you specifically OP, it's a general term)
That’s like China setting up police stations in other countries to enforce Chinese censorship outside their borders.
If your users go somewhere with laxer rules, it’s not your place to try to impose your rules on people who don’t even use your site.
That’s like China setting up police stations in other countries to enforce Chinese censorship outside their borders.
No it is exactly the opposite. Its like banning people that are known criminals from entering your country. Countries have laws(rules) and if someone breaks those rules, no matter where they were at the time, you can just say "No we dont want to see you here, you can go do that elsewhere but not here".
That happens all the time in the real world and is perfectly reasonable.
What also happens in the real world tho is arrest/execution for crimes abroad. I would compare that to a complete lemmy wide ban where someone doesnt just get banned from one instance but every single one of them.
But thats not whats happening here so i dont see a problem.
Well, with the added detail that the censorship would only apply to Chinese people. You won't get a good real-world metaphor.
It's still quite messed up, and if ml mods dislike the other instances rules that much, they should just defederate them.
There are certainly valid reasons for it and it's also a fairly controversial thing to do. IMO it should be reserved for obvious spam/scam accounts or other problematic content accounts (e.g. Posting harmful misinformation or propaganda, illegal content, hate speech etc), not as a tool for "content I don't agree with, but is otherwise fine"
However, that being said, my meme isn't really about whether or not it's a just or good/bad thing to do, it's about the irony of a group who consistently shits on .world as being "Reddit-like" to pull a page straight out of the reddit mod playbook
Yes, and it is up to those users to decide that by themselves.
Your job is to keep your instance clean, and defederate when your users want to. Not to police other instances and force them to do your bidding. You have no authority there. It is up to those instance mods.
Very dialectical of you. Are you some kind of communist?
Well as you can see my instance does not end in .ml so I don't believe so.
I knew it! A Hegelian!
True, but it's the irony of it I'm poking fun of here. Also, I think .world is "Reddit like", but Reddit-like of 10 years ago
Thank you, yes! That’s why I came to Lemmy in the first place after all. I get the altruism of the fediverse but ultimately what I wanted out of the one social media platform I use is niche communities and memes. I was really upset to lose Reddit; it had become a major part of my screen time. And yes, it totally got shitty. So I’m happy to have a reasonable substitute in .world.