"The people stealing from Americans are not folks with tattoos and hoodies—it's people wearing suits and ties and congressional pins, sitting in this Capitol right now," said Rep. Maxwell Frost.
Oh sure, my blue county would have certainly flipped the entire rest of the red state with my singular vote. If only Democrats had inspired me to believe in them, you wouldn’t have me as your scapegoat, even though not a single thing would change.
You're disgusting, you're okay with genocide as long as you get your comforts. We protested evil then, and we protest evil now. You only protest inconvenience.
You can stop parroting propaganda now, the elections over.
That genocide you are referring to has only gotten worse under this regime, not sure why you are patting yourself on the back so hard for retaining your moral high ground while fucking over our nation too.
You didn't protest evil, you stepped aside and said, "I'm ok if the world gets more evil". Your "protest" did nothing to stop or reduce the genocide, it's gotten worse. You've made it less safe for people who actually want to protest the genocide. Your only action was that you feel moral superiority in your own mind.
Yep. Now protesters are being deported. I believe that everyone who sat this out over that issue has blood on their hands and I don’t care if it hurts their feelings to hear it.
You are not the fucking moral high ground. If this were a trolley problem, you've elected to kill five people instead of one. Even if the American left wasn't going to move on the issue, the situation would not have been nearly as genocidal. For Ukraine, for Trans and GNC, for the homeless.
Absolutely, unequivocally, and without remorse: Go fuck yourself with a rusty crowbar.
If this were a trolley problem, you've elected to kill five people instead of one
Correct. The problem is that you're not hearing the setup, or you don't care, which solidifies my decision.
The trolley was coming to kill a million of our children. There were two other tracks, one was empty, and one just took an extra loop to hit you first.
And you monsters simply pulled the brakes off and ripped the third completely empty track off so the trolley had no chance of missing anyone. So I made sure it takes you too.
There's no moral high ground, I said we collectively deserve it, I accept my punishment for living in and supporting the genocidal empire. You deserve it for your apathy.
Either way, at least when the US empire collapses when Trump is done with it, it'll stop genociding nations and getting stupid responses like yours.
Scum like you makes this world a darker place because you use "the children" as an excuse to justify your immorality. If you wanted to kill yourself, you could have done it without taking the lives of so many innocents. Instead not only are you the proxy perpetrator of a different genocide, you've simply allowed the world to burn because of your hatred. You can't modify the trolley problem by just saying "uhhh there's ackshually three tracks and one is on a loop so fuck you" or come at me with "but you didn't hear the setup!!". There is no other setup you fucking buffoon. There was a simple binary choice and you chose wrong. You are a moron, through and through. You are the kind of person that makes me realize that actual democracy may have been a mistake, because idiots don't deserve to make decisions. WE don't "collectively" deserve shit because there is no WE. May your precious God have mercy on your soul in the next life, you dishonourable bastard.
Oh yeah, you really helped stop the genocide. How many thousands did Israel murder this week because there's literally no one in the White House or congress even remotely trying to stop them?
I will never, ever understand that logic. You had a choice, you made the wrong decisions, now own it. The more you justify saying that somehow orange turd mcgee was a better option makes you look like such a damn fool. And yes you said it by your action of "protest voting". You had infinitely more opportunities to protest and affect change if Kamela was elected. Now all of your opportunities are actively being removed and the people you wanted to save are going to be exiled for a new golf course because a lot of you of "moral high ground" contributed to this bleak future. Good job.
You had a choice, you made the wrong decisions, now own it.
The pro-genocide protest (non-)voters have bought into the propaganda so thoroughly that I'm doubting that they'll accept responsibility even on their deathbeds at this point. They didn't give a shit about anyone or anything but performative actions to stroke their own egos and telling themselves that they are morally superior. There was one the other day who even admitted that they put their own SO's life at risk but still see no fault in their actions and blame dems and strategic voters for their own choice to support making genocide worse.
Whether you believe in the ends justifying the means or the means justifying the end.. the world you helped create was granting power to evil, putting evil in charge.
You straight up chose the side of evil. Congrats on being on the wrong side of history.
As a party, the Dems suck. Absolutely. And in the long-term, as an opposition party, they are not great.
That being said, are the non-voters and protest non-voters children? The nonsense I'm reading about non-voters not being "inspired" or not being "captured" by Democrats to convince them to vote against fascism sounds like a description of a salesman trying to sell products, not the either-or choice being given to every adult American, which is, as a citizen, their own goddamn responsibility to be party to.
A non-vote is still a vote. You don't absolve yourself of the outcome by choosing not to participate, because if you can vote, you're already participating.
There were three real options this past election: MAGA, Dems, and I-don't-care-they're-equally-bad. So yes, not voting when fascists win means you supported fascism.
Obviously that does not mean non-voters are solely to blame. Republicans accepted fascists, those that voted R chose fascists, Dems suck as a party, and non-voters sat back and allowed fascists to take power. On the list, non-voters are the least bad, certainly, but they still bear responsibility.
Arguing with me isn't going to change anything. You should be arguing with the people that nominate establishment candidates.
Go ahead, blame me all you want; I genuinely don't care. If you want me to get out and vote, then your neo-liberal, lesser-evil buddies need to be the ones who 'fall in line.'
Every effort you spend in trying to get me to support establishment candidates is futile.
Lol this is not the flex that you think it is. This just shows the Dems that the left voter will never vote. So there is no reason to cater to them. And history plays this out, every time the Dems rely on the left voter, they don't show up. At this point you'd be an absolute fool to cater to or rely on the left. The real futility here is ever thinking the left will ever show up, so what's the point.
So pat yourself on the back on helping to move the overton window to the right. Yes you. Every single time you protest no vote.
Ok I really have to bow out of talking to you. Like you said it's futile. PS look up what neoliberal means.
Neo-liberals become conservatives when their wealth is threatened.
It's a two-pronged strategy that you're supporting right now.
If more of you people directed your grievances towards the greedy scumbags that keep nominating establishment candidates, then we wouldn't have this issue.
Seeing as this is a reply to OP (a top comment), your reply makes zero sense. It literally can't be moving the goalposts. Just shows how you're squirming to get out of the repercussions of protest non voting. Which ironically is exactly the thought process that got you into protest non voting in the first place.
Damn, really sounds like some sort of political party should have tried to capture voters interest instead of pushing the status quo that has been suffocating folks for their whole life.
Yeah, he personally turned 26487 children into various meat products for the whit house barbecue. He's a surprisingly good chef, though. Those spare ribs were the best I ever had.
He personally ensured Israel had the bombs and international legal protection necessary to murder all those children. He did everything he could to guarantee those children died in twisted shieking agony. In fact, many of them did burn to death and he his personally responsible for cooking them alive.
Let me put it this way: I don't feel like I deserve to live anymore for my role in the genocide.
Yes. Because our 2 options were a fascist, and a Liberal. Liberals may suck, but they can be worked with, and reasoned with. Fascists don't have that perk.
Liberals are just fascists with better PR. They absolutely cannot be reasoned with, as evidenced by the democrats being exactly as complicit in the genocide as the republicans. No reasoning has managed to convince that party that Palestine deserves to exist.
Just admit what you really mean:
"The democrats may be just as genocidal outside of our country, but at least they're not genociding inside our country like the republicans would".
Or, put simply, "the democrats are evil in a way that doesn't impact me".
Hard to "fall" for something that isn't there. You're just making the statement that Liberals=Fascists, when you're factually wrong. Please go to any Poli-sci course, and you will learn. Alternatively, you could just not comment when you're uninformed. Sorry to hear about your TBE.
Can you type more stupid clown comments so I can put them on my Wall of Stupid Clown Comments?
democrats being exactly as complicit in the genocide as the republicans
Weird. I remember Biden repeatedly expressing that he didn't like Netanyahu's tactics, then threatening to stop arms shipments and impose sanctions. I also remember Trump regularly fellating Netanyahu and saying he wants to kick Palestinians out to build a fucking resort.
Herp derp, both duh same.
but at least they’re not genociding inside our country like the republicans would”.
Yeah, I would actually very much prefer a party that doesn't genocide in our own country. That sounds way preferential than genocide in our country.
Being against genocide is nothing more than "whining" to you? You see someone upset that innocent men, women and children are being killed, and you call them a DRAMA QUEEN? WTF is wrong with you? Doesn't death and destruction bother you?
And now thankfully Trump has stopped the genocide, oh wait he accelerated it.
With Kamala there was a chance things would have changed. The dems were at least applying pressure to Israel to find a resolution. I have plenty of criticisms and am pissed we spent tax dollars arming Israel.
However, now our government is enthusiastically supporting the elimination of Gaza. So yeah that didn't pan out
My point was maybe Democrats could have differentiated themselves a bit better by NOT BACKING A GENOCIDE like the Republicans were very willing to do.
People stayed home because the choice between some genocide and genocide isn't a compelling one. But democratic leadership is bought and paid for by AIPAC
So did Biden. But saying you want something and actively avoiding doing anything to facilitate that is not an inspiring thing to really behind.
Nowhere did I say they were the same. Holy shit, none of you can fucking read. I'm saying the appearance of really bad and still bad contributes to voter apathy.
My point was maybe Democrats could have differentiated themselves a bit better by NOT BACKING A GENOCIDE like the Republicans were very willing to do.
Maybe Americans had a responsibility to prevent fascists who were very open about their fascism from taking total control of our government and accelerating the genocide in Gaza.
Nah, let's place all the blame on Democrats instead of Americans. It's easier.
Maybe Democrats have a responsibility not be actively helping this fascist takeover happen? Surely someone seeking votes shouldn't be irresponsible enough to completely ignore what their potential constituents want and only listen to their corporate donors, right?
But let's blame the victims instead of the ruling class, that's easier.
Sure, Israel was also a long time ally who suffered a brutal terrorist attack in October. Maybe geopolitics is more complex than "Biden is commiting a genocide!!1!".
Before you get too out to touch, I'll say that any aid to Israel should have been conditional, and we should have stationed Americans relief workers in refugee camps and safe zones to stop Israel from indiscriminately bombing them.
They made up half the shit about that terrorist attack. To justify their ongoing genocide.
No one fucking said Biden did it. He was enabling. It's studying how badly your reading comprehension has served you across two very different topics this week.
And I'm the end you giving agreed with me while still trying to act like I'm wrong about anything.
Not that Israel has shied away from murdering any foreign nationals in the area, either. Way more miles journalists than the entire Russian invasion, in half the time. It's clear they're actively targeting them and aid workers at this point.
No one fucking said Biden did it. He was enabling. It’s studying how badly your reading comprehension has served you across two very different topics this week.
And I’m the end you giving agreed with me while still trying to act like I’m wrong about anything.
Yes. I don't have to knee-jerk disagree with people, and I can agree with some parts of an argument, but not others. It's called nuance.
They made up half the shit about that terrorist attack. To justify their ongoing genocide.
Can you source that? From what I recall, they (Hamas) had armed militants attack civilians venues, killing non-combatants and taking civilians as prisoners.
"Queermunist", implying you are both queer and communist.
Mate you... you know you are the first group of people the turd wants to get rid of?
You deserve what's coming for you, because you are the one asking for it, so when they come for you (because, unless there's a very significant change, it's not an if but a when), remember that you voted for it.
Did I say I was fine with this? I just believe we can do things other than wait for the next election to stop it from happening. Get organized, get a gun, and get ready.
Are you going to act? Or are you going to sit on your ass and wait for another election that is never going to come?
Because if you're waiting for the next election to stop fascism you are going to lose.
I live in a red state, my vote doesn't even fucking count in this shit hole country.
Don't be so modest, you're excited for me to get murdered for being disobedient. That's why you won't lift a finger to resist fascism. Voting is the limit of your participation in politics and you aren't going to be allowed to vote fascist away.
I won't be surprised when volunteer to be one of the camp guards because you think you can change the system from the inside.
I'm not even american. And every time I can vote, I do against fascism. Because if I have to choose between a literal nazi and someone who's imperfect but it's not a nazi, I kinda prefer to be governed by the one that's not a nazi.
And since we are talking about genocide: remember that the turd YOU helped putting in the white house is allowing the zionazi to run wild and even think of annexing Gaza (after "cleansing" it).
Because Joe "nothing would fundamentally change" Biden was so progressive.
Hope none of your family died in the years before Trump like the hundreds of thousands of others who die each year from easily fixable causes but weren't because they lived in status quo America.
Quick question, do you in any way shape or form hold the Democratic party responsible for their performance at the polls?
How many billions of dollars in student loan debt did Biden cancel? How much more would have been cancelled if the supreme court didn't act in a blatantly partisan manner?
Yeah, I do hold them responsible. Shumer shouldn't be in leadership and AOC should be on every high profile committee there is.
Not voting solves nothing. You know how you get more progressive legislation passed? By voting for the party that has progressives in it. That's how. More democrats means more people like AOC. It doesn't fucking matter if your personal rep is a god damned blue dog if it means there's one less republican in congress.
"Oh so a person helps fix a problem they were part of, and for you that’s not enough."
Um, no? Is that supposed to be satire?
--Hypothetically, If your dog vomits on the floor and eats a small part of that vomit before looking at you for approval, do you praise them for partially cleaning up the mess they made?
Because Joe “nothing would fundamentally change” Biden was so progressive.
Are you stupid? His legislation was VERY progressive. Guy was even the first president IN HISTORY to forgive student loans and to stand on a picket line with striking workers.
do you in any way shape or form hold the Democratic party responsible for their performance at the polls?
Yes, but not even close to as responsible as I hold American voters for failing their civic duty.
They were quite literally funding a genocide and then somehow thought pointing out [the very real] fascist intent of the Republican plans would play in their favor.
Edit: it seems none of you have understood my point.
At no point did I say Republicans were not also backing genocide. Only that, maybe, just maybe, Democrats could have NOT done so, to give people an actual choice on that issue.
I understand you prefer binary arguments where saying one bad thing about someone automatically means the opponent has to be good on that topic, but the world doesn't work like that.
Dude they want to nuke Gaza, while Biden was pushing for peace. But to you it's all the same and "b b b b both sides same". This is why you project "you prefer binary arguments". Ciao.
It's amazing how garbage your reading comprehension can be and you still think you have an argument.
I know Republicans are worse. I'm saying Biden did a weak as fuck job pushing for peace which exasperated the already present voter apathy. Continuing to repeat yourself while missing the entire point of what I'm saying does not make you look any less fucking stupid for missing it.
They literally refuse to admit that an entire apparatus of a party wanting something, and then a handful of members wanting something of another party are not the same.
Then they have the gall to complain that the democrats didn't personally promise them a pony and a unicorn so they didn't vote.
Only that, maybe, just maybe, Democrats could have NOT done so
Like, do you not grasp that international relations is a thing?
Do you not fathom that when an important ally, the most important in the Middle East, ramps up a conflict they've had with another nation for our entire lives, that it's not exactly a simple subject? That you can't just say "Welp, you're being mean to someone else, so fuck you our relationship is over"?
Biden repeatedly spoke out against Netanyahu's tactics. He started threatening to hold up arms shipments and impose sanctions. These are the proper steps to take before resorting to losing one of your most important allies.
Then Americans chose fascism and now the situation is much worse.
Ah yes, we're going to downplay systemic genocide as "being mean" now? To make this seem like a simple, laughable little faux pas. What a piece of shit you are.
The proper steps to stopping that shit is not go : " no, please....stop...." And continue shoveling those weapons to them, actively enabling the behavior we want to stop.
Israel was trying to drag us into a war with Iran as well, attacking them hoping they could hide behind the US. For two years. No change in weapon shipments. Clearly he did a bad fucking job. Whining about it being complicated doesn't unfuck up the job he did.
Let people wonder whether you're dumb or not. Don't prove to them that you are.
Biden was one of, if not the most progressive president, in our lifetimes. That is a FACT.
But of course you don't know that.
The Democrats fumbled appealing to progressives, independents, and undecided voters.
By running on universal healthcare and taxing the rich? No, Republicans ran the most effective propaganda campaign in the history of this country (with the help of Russian disinformation) and it worked, because Americans are braindead stupid.