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In Europe we do produce EV, so tariffs make sense considering BYD and similar cars price are due to heavy CCP subsidies (direct and indirect). Sure the labor is cheap there, but not enough to sell cars that low.

You got batteries sold way under manufacturing price, but only for cars build by Chinese manufacturer (foreign manufacturers never get such discounts), you got various subsidies and payment facilities, unrestricted access to China rare earth monopoly, among other schemes.

Check price... Start at 41k. Yeah... "Affordable"... Maybe for a rich middle-class man. But for the vast majority, affordable would be around 20-25k brand new, knowing that most lower class families would rather buy a 5-10k used ICE car that a brand new electric car.

That was.

There are not many cards you need these days, especially not that doesn't have an USB equivalent. USB capture cards are now decent, same for Wi-Fi+Bluetooth ones (provided you buy one with deported antennas). Other than storage related ones (for moar m.2!, or for sff SAS ports), I don't see that much uses these days.

Even my NAS, which uses a micro-ATX MB, only uses one slot on the 3 available. And all its 4 m.2 ports are used (2 for redundant system discs, one for an AI accelerators (for Frigate object detection), the last one being an old SSD used as ZFS cache for my main disk array (will probably be replaced by another AI accelerator once I find another use which would need one).

IGPs are very dependant on memory speed. Many uses gains from faster memory speed (but I can't give you one out of memory), but most games gains more from memory latency than raw speed (with some exception, like Stellaris).
Usually, if your app is CPU heavy, you'll gain from RAM speed.

More like for the price of 64GB.

I said "being inspired by", not "using". There is a difference.

Not before being unknowingly sold to the public

Well, if that was truly forgotten in the game at release, and removed once discovered, I don't see any problem. The textures that are used now are 100% hand made by actual artist, to my knowledge.

My problem with AI is its heavy usage of plagiarism and vast degree of power consumption, as well as the price hikes its caused for many computer parts.

I entirely agree with you there.
The plagiarism problem is in my opinion partly resolved by open datasets (OpenOrca, and the like), which means the user has the possibility of choosing to not rely on plagiarism. Problem is that the models trained with those dataset are rarely available on public platform, which is another reason why I use my own infrastructure.
Personally I use Mistal-7B-OpenOrca on a locally run Ollama, which reside in my homelab.
The power consumption is a problem, and the reason why I use my own dedicated hardware for anything related to AI (which has also the advantage of heating my home a little bit, so nothing is lost 😆).
I even invested in a laptop with dedicated AI hardware to be able to make it as efficient as possible. And of course got hit by the AI taxe, albeit I was lucky to get 32Go DDR5 at only twice the usual rate instead of five time the usual rate as it is currently the case.

Whenever anything is attempting to make money, it should be put under the highest scrutiny. It does not matter who's pushing it. Similarly, I find it odd that we're assuming the inner workings of Clair Obscur's workplace

You are partly right. But when machine replaced some of the human hard labor in industry, we welcomed it. Who would want to make a car with a hammer when an hydraulic press is available? AI is a tool that should be used to ease the burden of doing repetitive small task in order to focus on what's one want to do. Can I blame someone for using placeholder texture, being AI or from an asset store, instead of spending days making the rocks look just right when you aren't even sure the project will ever be funded?

But I don't think they the the kind of guys to seek wealth or fame. They put their energy in a project they believed in, can we blame them to have used the tools they had in hand to try making the most of their limited budget ?

If you replaced AI here with anything defamatory, like pictures of penises placed by an enraged employee after being fired, then even having a few would be devastating on sales. The single fact that we're okay with a few means that, over time, that bar will likely be pushed further down the road "oh, it's just this one character that practically never shows up" "oh, it's just the skyboxes, they're basically not noticeable anyway" "who cares if the early access uses AI voices? They'll be replaced eventually!"

You'd be surprised how often it happen for former angry employees to do that. We even had example in some Disney, with very explicit scenes even going all the way to customers.
I never said that they where OK with it, just that no one can be expected to check every little texture without being expected to miss some of them. Human are prone to fatigue, and I saw many bugs going in production due to such errors of judgement.
As for using AI during early access, IMO it depends on the size of the project. And one man project ? Totally fine, even after launch. A full 400 men project from a big publisher? Not so much, they have to mean to do it by hand. Especially considering how expensive they sell it afterward.
Clair Obscur being a mostly 30 men project (plus some occasional extras), I, personally, don't see AI usage as a problem as soon as it is sparsely used.

I assure you, AI is not popular. Studies have shown that AI is causing people more concern than excitement Not the most reputable source, but oh well

I'm speaking about Clair Obscur, not AI. Don't you feel surprised that as soon as they get a big boost from the game award, you see people left and right creating dramas for whatever reason they find? Some forgotten AI texture in the final game? Really?

Blue Prince does use AI assets No it didn't

My apology for jumping on that bandwagon. I'm unfortunately not totally immune to that either 😅

On the other hand, IGA did forbid AI on the whole project pipeline, and if I find it a bit overblown, it is their choice, and I'll respect that.
What baffles me is all the hate Clair Obscur got because of that. The vast majority was made by hand, and the game is good. If the story was AI gen, or the music, I'd agree, but a fucking texture? In which way would it suddenly make a multiple year project shit like some pretends?

It's is still their own artistic sensibility that made the art, not the AI. You will always be inspired by other things while doing anything requiring creativity.
Would being inspired by Picasso suddenly make one art worthless? Of course not. So why would being inspired by an AI generated example make it any different ?

Maybe because all AI generated assets got removed?

Honestly, as a programmer that uses extensively AI to debug, and do various tedious tasks like unit tests, I think the whole anti-AI craze of late is more bullshit than sane arguments.

It's an invaluable tool for many cases, and as soon is it is not used to replace someone, I don't see the problem. They where used by artists, to be used as placeholders while working on the gme, not by executives seeking to make some more bucks by not hiring anyone.

They forgot some of them in the final game? Shit happens. You cannot expect someone to go through every single texture in a game that probably got thousands, if not tenths of thousands, just to make sure none was forgotten.

Anyway, that's blown way out of propositions, and feels more like some people trying to get views by hating on something popular than having real concerns about it. Especially since Blue Prince does use AI assets in the final product, and strangely no one bats an eye.

I didn't even register the change before it got pointed out, my brain automatically translated it to "y" 😂.
Strange how brain works at time.
Funny experiment to do, read a sentence in which all word are scrambled, except the first and last letter. You'll be surprised to realise you still can read it thank to the brain automatically decoding the word from him memory of it.

Well, now what's left is just to make nuclear warheads, and maybe the Russian will be more inclined at negotiating peace.

Funny anecdote, one of Reddit server was named after that game : Untitled Goose Server. That was a pool on the gold only sub, I was the one proposing that name.

A desktop computer cannot be used without peripheral (unless you use it as a server). They where separated from the chassis for flexibility sake, not because they were optional.
There was a time where everything was integrated into the chassis, screen included. Those were hefty beasts, loud, and hard to maintain, because when a peripheral broke, you had to service the whole unit instead of swapping the keyboard to a new one.

As for the Deck, you have everything you need for its intended use, no peripheral needed. Of course, you can add some to make it work like a PC, but in such case, is it still only a Deck ?

We could argue for ages around that, but I think it boils down to philosophy. Some prefers maximalist definition, other prefer minimalist definition. I'm obviously of the later school, and you of the former.
So, how about we agree to have different opinions on the matter, and go on our respective way, instead of throwing oil on the fire of a sterile debate ?

Also, are you a llm from like 2021?

I'm a human with an opinion you may not share, for whom English is not his primary language. So grammatical error are to be expected. Now if you can come down of your high horse and not assume anyone with whom you do not agree is a LLM, that'd be great.

It is a personal computer, it runs Linux, I recognize KDE, I can fuck around in terminal. In what ways is it not a personal computer? I don’t understand.

Try to do a spreadsheet on the deck without any accessory. It is possible, but very fastidious. It isn't an hardware made to do personal computing (aka, a PC), it is an hardware to play game.
A PC isn't just a software, it is also a hardware specifically made to allow various computing tasks. Calculus, graphical work of various kinds, sometimes games (which have to adapt to peripherals that weren't made for games in mind).
A Deck is made for games first, and the various other task you may want to do have to work around its limitation. From my point of view, this cannot be called a PC.
But that's my opinion, I won't force anyone else to agree with me, or call them a LLM out of spite.

So is any Android phone in such case. Form factor matters.
The Deck is a Linux handheld, that can be converted to a Linux PC depending on the accessories used. But by itself, with no accessories whatsoever, good luck using it as a PC.
A laptop can be considered as a PC, as it has all the peripheral integrated into his chassis, a desktop too (as it cannot be used without peripherals, they can be counted as part of it), but a Deck primary use is handheld gaming, not personal computing. Its included peripherals cannot allow it use as such.

A lot of custom work was done for it. Custom drivers, custom window manager, most of it upstreamed, if not all. It is not as different as an Android Phone, but I believe we can say it is not primarily a Linux PC, but rather an handheld that comes with an integrated Linux PC.

Oh, I'd be long dead before right winger dismantle our democracy. Either of old age or for resisting their takeover.