1y ago

Discord began blocking servers with information prohibited in the Russian Federation

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Discord начал блокировать серверы с запрещенной в РФ информацией

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Can we just go back to personal websites and forums?
Also fuck discord use mumble
- looks around at the fediverse uh we kinda already are...
- please do show me a single messaging platform that can easily and sanely house a population of >50k people on the same server, and allows that for absolutely free, while providing reasonably high quality voice messaging and streaming with negligible latency
  
  While discord doesn't necessarily cost money, it for sure also isn't free. In fact it's the reddit problem but way worse. A proprietary non-searchable database with all content fully licensed to discord including the right to sub-license. At least, Reddit had an API and is still searchable through their public facing http. I mean I get people don't want their group messages readable by everyone, bit for large groups, it makes sense.
  
  IRC + Mumble.
  We had these things in 2007
  
  Why would I ever want that?
  I can’t think of a single instance where I want to be messaging 50k people at once
  
  Matrix?
- Discord is trash, had issues with a KBDFans product, something as simple as a search of a forum would have given me the solution. I had to talk to a human to get the required information. They sent me a link to a firmware to download and all was good.
  If I was able to search a forum it would have been a 2 minute job, but I wasted someone else's time, on the other side of the globe.
  
  Discord has a search function tho?
- Join my discord for tutorials on how to setup your own static webpage!
  
  Guilty, but I'm moving my guides to Lemmy!
- The self hosted movement should be bigger!
- What's mumble?
  
  https://disroot.org/en/services/audio
- The Russia government is probably happy to have people chatting in an unencrypted service
  
  messages between client and server are still encrypted tho so does it really matter
Since when is Discord a proper place to get information? On larger servers, anything you type is gone forever after an hour due to the volume of messages.
- Its not.
  but people still insist on using it as a information store house. Much to the detriment of everyone.
- For someone in Russia, the impermanence might be a desirable feature. I mean, there's always still IRC but Discord is all the rage these days.
  Get off my lawn.
  
  It's not even properly impermanent because somebody else can just archive everything, ironically giving them better overview than the actual members themselves
- Do you not know how to properly search in discord? Sure forums are better but a message in discord isn’t “gone forever” if you’re searching. It’s a pretty fast to search too, which is an insanely impressive feat due to the sheer amount of messages.
  
  Discord's search is a joke. You search for specific words and you get a load of results that are... just not that word, at all
  
  Sure, but you also have to know to search for it.
  
  Discord search is only really useful if you already know what the message says
- When I don't find information through a search engine, I go asking it from people themselves.
  Discord is an easy solution for me to find this information at that point. Much easier than generating yet another user account in a website I might use once in my life, while I already use discord a lot.
  By the way - you can search for messages you have sent and for messages that were pointed directly to you. Makes delving into old conversations much easier.
  Of course Telegram and other services like that can help too.
Is Lemmy going to be one of the only places we can go to get uncensored content? Even the mainstream UK and US news outlets are filtering things.
- Lmao nah. Lemmy is just decentralized censorship. Anyone can ban or block anything else; anyone can start their own community instance and kill it on a whim. Multiple communities have already defederated in the less than a year that I've been on here.
  Lemmy solves the issue of centralized censorship/echo chamber communities, by replacing them with individual personalized echo chambers that you get to censor yourself. It's a lot of work to set it up and sustain that type of situation, so it's not realistic for a rational person that does not have a severe internet addiction to waste their time and effort doing it.
  
  replacing them with individual personalized echo chambers
  Which really wouldn't be that bad if instances were more clear about how they operate. Like, on the user signup page, there should be a big ol checkbox saying "I UNDERSTAND THAT ANYTHING THATS NOT A POSITIVE POST ABOUT COMMUNISM WILL GET ME BANNED" or whatever
  
  what are the symptoms of internet addiction, and can it be treated with alcohol?
  
  Lemmy is just decentralized censorship.
  It more like the opposite. Federated instances can keep all the federated posts without ever deleting them. Then also sell and monetize it.
  anyone can start their own community instance and kill it on a whim.
  Shutting down an instance doesn't mean it's censorship. If a library shuts down if it can't stay up, is that censorship?
  It's a lot of work to set it up and sustain that type of situation, so it's not realistic for a rational person that does not have a severe internet addiction to waste their time and effort doing it.
  Lol, freeloader says what?
  
  You always have the option of changing instances if you don’t like what the admins are doing, or creating accounts on those defederated instances to see what they’re up to.
- What? There's censoring all over this place!
  
  With the developers themselves being the biggest offenders.
  
  What is "this place"? Your own instance? You should move instances if you don't like the censoring.
- That's part of what the fediverse is about.
- you sound surprised that western governments censor things in their news.
  
  Looks like the Nordic countries have some of the best protections for their press.
  https://rsf.org/en/index
  The U.S. is ranked around 45th which is disappointing considering the first amendment is supposed to guarantee freedom of the press.
  But in general western countries are far better than places like Russia, China, India, the Middle East, etc.
  
  Why does this get down voted?
- Lemmy is massively censored. I just got another ban recently for taking about .ml bans in a .world thread.
  
  It's wrong to say that Lemmy is censored. Certain Lemmy instances censor more than others. Go to instances you like that don't censor the stuff you don't want censored.
  
  How does that work? Which server banned you?
- Lemmy isn't a place. Lemmy is just the software you use to access the Fediverse. Lemmy is not censored or uncensored - only specific instances can be censored or uncensored.
- I see censorship on Lemmy approaching Reddit levels more often than I'm comfortable with. The same mods moved here unfortunately.
  
  Then go to other instances. Lemmy isn't censored, the instances you visit are. You are free to start your own instance without any censoring if you want.
bruh

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