I have noticed that the quality of results on Google and DDG and others have been declining steadily over the last few years, and I think this is mostly a result of click farms generally getting better at gaming the system. Genuinely quality content is just being drowned out by crap.
ChatGPT doesn't really address this. I also don't see ChatGPT as a genuine replacement yet because 1) hallucination is still too big of a problem and 2) the value add of using natural language for queries doesn't seem all that beneficial to me. Sorta like, how IF you are already used to a terminal, it will be faster or just as fast as a GUI for many things.
The only real value I have seen from ChatGPT, is for complex boilerplate generation that is very easy to verify. ChatGPT is fantastic for generating regex, for example. Or poems, if you prefer.
Anyone else using Kagi.com for search? I'm using it as a paid user and it's fantastic, no ads and no tracking and results are great. I use ChatGPT for "ideas" and Kagi for specifics.
I stopped using Google search from about 4 years ago... in favour of DuckDuckGo (which is Bing search results in the backend). Makes for way faster, more focused and more privacy-minded browsing.
Bing AI got me interested but I doubt I will use it much for other than the novelty of asking it dumb questions.
Not specifically because of AI, but because Google was creeping me out and the search results were getting worse and worse due to pErSoNaLisEd SeArChEs which turns out is quite crap
I pretty much exclusively use Bing now. There are some times where Bing doesn't cut it and I need to use Google, but Google's results are generally garbage now, full of sponsored stuff and SEO trash.
@dl007, I've stopped using Google and Bing since almost 10 Years.
They aren't designed to be right, they're designed to look like they're right
I find ChatGPT excellent to get answers to specific questions without the sales pitch that Google push's.
A great alternative to Google is selfhosting whoogle, https://github.com/benbusby/whoogle-search, you get all the benefits and none of the tracking, etc. of Google search.
Not really (I wasn't using Google directly anyway), I think it fills a slightly different niche than search engines.
It's good as a fuzzy search for the sum of public knowledge, since it can understand quite complex queries and point you in the right direction, then you can go to regular search engines to find more specific stuff.
Bing was fun to exploit, but I don't really see why it's useful, it tends to always look up information which means it provides less of its own knowledge, I can do the searches myself better than an LM. Maybe it can provide more concise answers than all the SEO crap everywhere, but that can be avoided by searching on specific websites like reddit.
No, unfortunately it's not as smart as MS wants people to believe, and ChatGPT only understand so much before it starts making things up lol
Yeah, pretty much (GPT-4's a big upgrade over the default 3.5).
That said, OpenAssistant is already really impressive for a project with such limited resources. Would love to see open-source overtake OpenAI quickly (which IMO isn't out of the question, considering how quickly Stable Diffusion developed)
I use ChatGPT usually for things that I’m not able to find in traditional search engines easily. Or just when I know it would take me way more time when doing it in traditional fashion. The thing is that I have limited trust to what OpenAI will do with the data I provide to it. Using Brave Search or DDG makes me feel a bit more secure.
ChatGPT seems to make stuff up way too much. I still use Google for mundane searches, duckduckgo for things I'd rather keep private.
I've tried ChatGPT, but I don't think it's ready to be used as a search engine due to the occasional hallucinations. However, I'm using Brave Search, and I'm happy with the results it's giving me.
I switched to Bing just before the ChatGPT integration because google results have become terrible, not looking back
Absolutely! I use Google only if I am in a hurry since it's on my phone's home screen, I am favoring DuckDuckGo more and more but this is only to locate websites. If I need to learn something or have a technical question I am 100% going to use ChatGPT over Google. The ads on Google have been ridiculous for a long time now and there's no way I am wading into page 2 of the results to determine where the ads end and where the answer to my query actually starts.
I only use duckduckgo and startpage anyways.
I enjoy playing with ChatGPT a lot, but I would not trust it to provide me accurate information, it's really catastrophically bad at that. I mean, yes, sometimes it's right! But a lot of the times it just picks words that sound plausible and work well together. For anything where I want to get some facts, I use various search engines.
Switched to DuckDuckGo but lately almost every search I make I find a reddit answer so I started searching on reddit directly
I still use google. If I have a programming related query I use it normally. Otherwise I search for example "best cheap iems reddit" because Google has cannibalised itself by the means of SEO.
I still use Google when I'm wanting to find a particular website, but ChatGPT is definitely nibbling at the use cases. ChatGPT is good when I'm brainstorming random ideas - it's important to bear in mind that it makes crap up, but sometimes that's what I'm after. If accuracy is important I can double-check it afterward.
Bing was looking like it might take over from Google for me, but in recent weeks something changed and I started not liking it any more. I would ask it for something and it would always do a websearch and seemingly base its answer entirely on whatever website it first found. That results in it giving a lot of "I don't know the answer..." responses when I know that the answers are really out there. If Bing's going to act as the "I feel lucky" button on Google then there's not much value in it. Maybe they'll fix it.
I only use DDG to search for answers on the web.
At the moment, CGPT is mostly used for building me small scripts. i'm not a great programmer, but i do understand bash script most of the time. so often if i need something done i'll just ask CGPT to build me something and i think it only made a mistake once.
No, but recently i’ve stopped using Google as well. Currently I mostly use Ecosia, I think their company philosophy is pretty cool and I like the results so far. I don’t think that ChatGPT works as a substitute for a search engine for my uses at least, as many of my searches require me to check multiple links and I don’t always type in the full natural language sentences necessary for ChatGPT.
I use Google for general searches, ChatGPT for technical/unique questions that Google doesn't have a clear answer for. Though it generates a lot of garbage, ChatGPT can usually point me in the right direction.
It doesn't necessarily replace search engines, but I've been using chatgpt and sometimes Bing chat more and more. Like others have said, it does hallucinate all the time, and cannot be trusted to be 100% correct. I don't see that as a problem though, as long as I have some way to verify what it says, assuming accuracy is important. The amount of time wasted by bad answers is easily made up with the time savings on correct, or correct-ish answers.
I'm a software engineer, so a common work pattern will be to ask chatgpt "write me code to do X, meeting constraints Y and Z". As long as the subject isn't too obscure, it'll generally produce something I can work with. I then adapt that code sample to work in the actual context it is needed, and then debug it as if it were my own code. Sometimes it'll make up function and things like that, but I'll fix those and it doesn't take any more time than if I had to go learn that function as I wrote my own implementation.
Another scenario is when I get an error I'm unfamiar with. Often times, I can ask chatgpt to explain the error, and sometimes even fix it for me. This usage more directly replaces a search engine. If the fix doesn't work, then I'll do it the old fashioned way.
I'm strongly looking forward to github copilot X to be even more integrated than chatgpt in this work flow.
Using DuckDuckGo for everyday searches, but when it comes to specific searches, I sadly switch to Google. I don’t want to use ChatGPT as a search engine : this pillock can be way too much confident when telling bullshit stories haha
I started phasing out all things Google a few years ago, with search being the last to go a couple of years back -- I started using other search engines but would often on occasion use Google search on an assumption that I wouldn't get by without it. Yet when I finally quit Google search altogether, I realised that assumption was wrong.
Obviously the more information something has on you, the more powerful and personalised the results may be, but it's not worth it. I mean, iirc Startpage uses a lot of the power of Google's search engine to bring you results while better protecting your privacy, so there's that.
I've also used DuckDuckGo a lot, and tried Searx instances too. Basically it's anything but Google for me!
And that was before I even read the webcomic Contra Chrome.
Not by much. ChatGPT is great at language stuff and summarizing things, but not for facts, local info and real-time stuff. I use ChatGPT a lot for translating stuff and it's much better than Google Translate, as you can provide context, which is key for translating Asian languages. It's also not bad at explaining and summarizing well known facts, I asked if a bunch of basic photography related questions and it did a decent job of explaining the concepts. So it really depends on what I'm after.
Phind.com has replaced google for me. GPT3.5/4, live search results, and no Microsoft leering over my shoulder.
I use it to synthesize conceptual information and general approaches rather than specifics. It’s good for getting a gist.
I have my own Searx instance setup and I search through that. Never thought of giving ChatGPT/Bing a try. But I might go that route if the search results quality keep getting worse and worse. It'll definitely take some getting used to though.
I've supplemented my Google search with Yandex/Baidu and Bing for some time depending on what I'm looking for. Sometimes regardless of phrasing it'll just pop up say AI-generated ads which grates on my nerves and doesn't answer my question.
I tend to use it as a basis for when I'm struggling to describe what I'm looking for and don't know the right terminology. Sometimes it gives me the answer I need, others I get a few key words to plug into google or documentation.
I stopped using google because it fucking sucks
Bing is usable though because it cites its sources
Yes but I donnow it seems lately that it's hallucinating more and more. It could also be that my expectations are getting too high.
I asked Bing a question about Powershell and not only did it get the syntax wrong but it advised me to use pip (a Python tool) to install some random unrelated package.
I use Google plus their new AI search lab. It's a little slow, but usually provides an adequate response to a search
I've been using Bing for years, well before ChatGPT integration. Mostly because of the rewards program. The search results are on the same level as Google, so I figure I'll get a few bucks here and there while I'm at it for giving away some privacy.
Not really. I have absolutely no use for a tool that is designed to only sound plausibly right.
Depends. If I want to find something local, like a new eatery or hotel (something based on location), I use Google.
If I want the definition of something or need something explained, I use ChatGPT. I also use ChatGPT daily to help me write emails.
I haven't tried a search engine with built in AI before but at the moment I just don't really care. Google works for me well enough and Chat GPT i just use to outline college essays
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