Porn Historically Decides Tech Adoption... Fediverse?
Porn Historically Decides Tech Adoption... Fediverse?
Historically, porn has organically decided which platform or formats become dominant. It's incredibly anti-censorship, but walks many fine lines.
As Reddit now and tomorrow reveals more weaknesses, where will the OnlyFans creators, porn posters, and all those grassroots porn communities go? The creators need to make money by showing to a large and interested user base. The users need lots of content to choose from and be fed constantly, with very few hindrances between them and their...goals. Many of the niches actually have respectful and healthy communities, too. Those people deserve an easy to use platform, just as much as people that want to look at cats, some of those groups, arguably more.
The thought of how to pose this to the Fediverse, now, has been on my mind for weeks:
Can the fediverse rise to the task? Does it even want to? Should it?
Personally, I think it should absolutely try, but I'm not sure it can do so without several deep strides in tech and development. I'm aware this is a hot af take, but it's undeniable that the internet IS for porn, and denying that would be a huge opportunity loss for inevitably winning this popularity context.
Yeah, the Fediverse is pretty much designed to be able to handle stuff like this. They just get their own Instances, and anyone who does not wish to see that content can defederate with them.
You can't keep anyone, at all, not porn, not Zuckerberg, not Nazis, nobody, off the Fediverse. It's actually impossible. All you can do is defederate the things you do not wish to associate with.
This is a non-issue, and hand-wringing about it is largely pointless. If you want to talk about the rightness of defederating different platforms, that's a different story. But that's also up to the communities of each individual Instance.
You can't keep anyone, at all, not porn, not Zuckerberg, not Nazis, nobody, off the Fediverse. It's actually impossible. All you can do is defederate the things you do not wish to associate with.
Isn't that possibly creating echo chambers again?
You can research which instance you want to build your account on; if you are worried about an echo chamber then I would look for an instance that is clear about what they defederate with, or even run your own. I'm fine with not seeing extremist views and don't mind defederating with Nazi content
Currently defederated from kbin.
You say that like lemmynsfw.com isn't one of the most popular instances.
I've been trying to block all the Hentai, cartoon, and AI porn communities on LemmyNSFW but other than that it's pretty great! If you turn on the auto-expand images setting it makes for easy left-hand browsing.
Just an FYI, OnlyFans (or any other business) could easily start a kbin, mastodon, pixelfed instance and call it kbin.OnlyFans.net or OnlyFans.social, or what ever they choose.
As they should. It'll help creators, plus help push the fediverse hardcore (pun fucking intended).
Win-win.
Im copying/pasting something I said on another thread but it applies here. Its what I would like to ultimately have in the federation:
I am a free speech absolutist and I want pretty much anything to go but I want the tools for users to be able to block it in any manner they want from blocking users to blocking magazines to blocking domains and I want it to include comments and actually go both ways (joke not intended but right after I wrote that I liked it). When I block something I don't want that person, place, or thing to see any of my comments or posts. If I blocked them its a good chance its folks that might try doxing or some shit. I would like blockers to know who or what they blocked so they can undo if they choose but I don't want blockees to know. I would like profiles to be only seeable by logged in users and I would like usernames and such masked for folks not logged in. I realize this is a lot and its not here now and that some folks may hate the idea of what I write here but that is how I would like to see something like this go. As much power as possible brought to individual consumers to prune their feeds and as much freedom as possible for creators.
I don't see how you could effectively block people seeing you if the person wanted to, because even if a system is made so you can only be seen by logged in users, that user could make an alt. Heck, they could have an alt that they don't use for commenting, so one wouldn't even know to block it.
well I wouldn't expect it to in that circumstance. I just want the most out of what it could do. Stalkers going to that extreme will always get the way around to some degree. I just don't want it easy for them to notice and honestly I would prefer in the long run they not exactly advertise that stuff but just have it be the way it is and someone would have to look into it to know blocking works both ways. It will certainly cut down on the casual jerk. Jerk being a realtive term to the individual. To me a system like that would approach more what organically happens in life. You hang with those you like and avoid those you don't.
Disagree on blocking them from responding. I think that this change to how the Reddit blocking feature worked was one of the largest errors Reddit made in recent years. Led to people in conversations disagreeing, one user making a statement and then blocking the other so that it looked like the blocking user would get the last word, which prevented the other from responding.
It's also useless to stop someone from doxing you, because they can just create another account and use that. The only way that it would be efficacious in that regard would be if the whole system worked via whitelisting users rather than blacklisting them.
im not saying blocking from responding im saying I disapear to them and they to me. they can still respond and other folks I did not block would see it and possibly my last one. I would be the one unable to respond as I would not get notified of their response and no longer see it. I guess I would not expect any previous conversations that are in their notifications to necessarily disapear as thats already in their profile. I responded to someone on the doxing thing. I just want to get rid of low hanging fruit. Ultimately I just don't want to be in the same virtual universe as them. I know it does not sound like it from this convo but I don't block user often but when I do I really just don't want anything to do with that person even incidentally.
I’m doing my part by hosting a bondage magazine (/m/bondage) on kbin. I spent 11 years getting all this free porn from /r/bondage, and I think that if we all take an active role in posting our favorite types of nsfw content and help foster its growth through interacting with other posters, this’ll all go well.
At the end of the day, we just need to work towards having new content daily for people to look at.
There's already porn in the fediverse. I don't see a problem with it existing, but it's always bothered me when porn and social media get mixed. That's not necessarily because of prudishness or shame, but rather the fact that social media often employs dark patterns of addiction, and porn addiction can become very real, very quickly. I think we need to be careful about it, and I think there should be an onus on platforms as well as producers to help protect the vulnerable against addiction and the downward spiral.
Ehh... There's definitely change that occurs (look at porn free people vs porn heavy people), and a risk of total destruction. But I feel like a lot of this stance IS prudish slippery-slope rhetoric and fear mongering.
Regardless, we could debate on the effects and philosophy of porn for a long time, there's value and reality supporting all sides on this one, but I do agree we need to be careful about it and have it serve everybody, regardless of belief. This would require a lot of development to have (let's say, pro porners and anti porners, just for sake of argument) pro and anti people both have minimal pain points whilst also growing a decentralized future with great accessibility and great data redundancy and great safety.
For cars it's racing, for planes it's military, for CPUs/GPUs it's gaming, and for communication and graphics/video, it's porn.
This goes back pretty far, too, as the original test image for image compression techniques was a crop of a Playboy model. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenna
If someone makes a federated porn app, they could call it "Feddish" ... just give me a mention in the credits.
beautiful!
I browsed All a couple weeks ago and quickly stumbled upon a naked woman so I think we’re in business here lol
Now we need GIF support
@SCmSTR lookup switter.at, it was once a mastodon instance for sex workers but shut down even before twitter migration...
They could host a Lemmy/Kbin accounts, although I feel like Twitter will be their next choice, since it's algorithm-ridden and has a huge amount of people in it.
Twitter is already struggling with
For Youbeing hardcore porn every 10th post. Not everyone wants that so they are bleeding that "huge amount of people".