Debating the right to exist

why is her hand so tiny in the second one
- perspective is hard

"I'd rather have my country die for me."
-James Joyce (as Stephen Dedalus)

Abolish a person 🙅🏽‍♂️ Abolish a state ☑️

This is why I hate it when people say stuff like “Do you support [state]’s right to exist?” No, no I don’t. I don’t think any state has a “right” to exist. People have a right to exist. A state is something different entirely.

Careful, you mention hating the state get everyone riled up. Conservatives, Liberals, Communists, all of them.

Conservatives, Liberals, Communists
Conservatives: "I want a state that exists to brutalize the third world on my behalf and cycle me through anxiety/relief of foreigners/BIPOCs on TV"
Liberals: "I want a state that will subtly extract value from the proletariat so I can gamble on it in the market and kill anyone who resists in an overseas black site."
Communists: "I want a state that will coordinate labor between sectors and preserve the civil rights of citizens under a well-organized and easily navigate-able proletarianized bureacracy."
Lemmy: "I hate these fucking Tankies."
Especially on an ml instance. I'm waiting for some bozo to post Engels' "on authority" again.
- ML's explicitly are anti-state and believe it to be in charge of managing irreconcilable class differences so it must be destroyed and replaced with something else. This is written explicitly in Lenin's State and Revolution.
- I do think hating socialist states with the same or worse ferocity that capitalist states get is a serious misjudgement. Administration is necessary for large scale production and distribution, whether you count that as a state or not. Communism as a stateless, classless, moneyless society would have no class, but would still have administration.
- I think I could chill with Marx¹, he was a shockingly decent guy for the time. Engels was a piece of fucking shit and I'm not reading anything else he wrote.
  ¹teaboo capitalism-loving steam engine fetishist that he was
- Lmfao, the consistent dunking on the ml instance has got to be my handsdown favorite meta joke on Lemmy.
  And the fact that the upvote to downvote ratio is perfectly split is chef's fucking kiss, hahahahaaa
Really, just about anybody that looks to historical examples to inform their perspective.
- Very white take, congratulations.
- There are examples of non states working, but it is unclear if it would be possible to maintain large societies.

Damn, I wish I could upvote this more...

Ikr? One of those rare posts that made me say aloud "God, I love Lemmy."
This place is really coming around, can't even remember the last time I enjoyed reddit this much.

In 100 years people are gonna look back on these 'phobes in the same way that we look back at slave owners... ignoring the fact that a lot of the 'phobes would probably be okay with modern slaves anyways.

Right, I'm in BDSM relationship with another femboy.
- And this right there, is true love. The queerer, the better.

NiceOne

The people of a country should not live in fear of the state. To the contrary, it is the country that should fear it's people.

Who should fear the superfluous apostrophe?
- grammar nazis

I would strongly advise to not confuse the "state" with the "resulting de facto inferences of the richest and most powerful few" in a "coordinated effort of a collective society to protect us from those few" with the later, because those few also want to destroy it for their own benefit... a "state" made up of all the society is the only coordinated thing protecting us from those few human predators

The rich didn't create themselves, buddy.
- By their direct attempts in interfering in the state or manipulating its supporters (voters in a democracy), good luck protecting from them without an organised society, call that collective force/entity "state" or whatever you want...