Kamala Harris appears to blame ‘people not voting’ for 2024 loss to Trump as book tour gets off to rocky start
Kamala Harris clashes with heckler as book tour off to rocky start
"People didn't want to vote for me" isn't the defence you think it is
Maybe, just maybe, the Democrats will someday realize that political parties are supposed to stand for something other than “what are you gonna do, vote Republican?”
If people didn’t vote for you, it’s because you didn’t appeal to them. Don’t blame the voters for not liking the shitty options presented. Actually represent the people, not the donors and consultants, and you might get some traction.
Infrastructure, student loan forgiveness, improving economy, sane leadership that doesn’t result in almost daily headlines about the next worst thing happening, environmental stewardship through green energy initiatives, opposition to the Palestinian genocide…
None of that was enough? Had to go full MAGA, huh?
Ah yes, I definitely went full MAGA.
No, I voted for her, just like I always vote for the Dems. But I also understand why she lost, and the Democratic party’s tendency to blame the voters rather than self-reflect is exactly why we’re in the situation we are.
If that was her platform she would have won the election
who did you vote for?
Kamala, begrudgingly. Just like how I voted for Biden and Clinton. I live in a swing state, so I felt like voting tactically mattered.
I'm so fucking tired of that spin.
It's like a restaurant owner who offered a crappy menu of poorly cooked food that nobody wanted in the first place blaming the restaurant's failure on the people who refused to eat there.
It is specifically a Dim Sum restaurant, and the DNC rolled out the same shitty cold unwanted dim sum on the carts with a side of Liz Cheney to try and make it appetizing to Maga chuds.
Maga chuds don't go to dim sum restaurants and your actual patrons don't want cold shit and Liz Cheney. No wonder your restaurant gets voted last place in a two person race.
And I'm so fucking tired of this "both sides" nonsense.
When the choice is between a politician you don't like and a fucking fascist, the choice is clear. Well it should be. But there are people upset that there are "no good choices" so they just let the worst happen. No sense of self preservation, just complain that the choice that wasn't fascism wasn't good enough. It should be enough that it prevents fascism, but here we are, with people like you.
No, this is like there being two items in the menu, one that you don't love and one that will poison you, and people have a hard time deciding for some reason.
a politician you don’t like and a fucking fascist
Holocaust Harris was also a fascist
Am I so out of touch? No, it's the children who are wrong.
Kamala should have primaried. She was not who democrats wanted. We are sick to fucking death of democrats constantly sliding to the right to offer concessions. Start shutting shit down, throw tantrums, filibuster the fuck outta things. Its all MAGA understands.
The success of Mamdani in New York shows people appreciate someone who strongly opposes conservative policies instead of cozying op to them. Sure, New York isn't the entire US but I really think someone like him has better chances then the "let's just keep the status quo" politicians like Harris and Biden.
Yes, and what happened there? The democrats went crazy ... because they are all mostly repackaged republicans.
She's talking up Hillary's mantle, and that woman couldn't put a sock in it for 40 years, while also thinking she was clever for getting Don on the ballot, nevermind worshipping at the altar of Kissenger.
Losers blame everything but themselves.
How can she be this tone deaf? No one wants to hear from you, Kamala. Not the time. We're dealing with the fallout of your horrid campaign.
I regret my Kamala vote (moreso my faith in her leading up to the election) more every day, and I am in despair over this administration.
lol
I love this take. "I regret voting for the person who wasn't a fascist, I wish I had actually voted for the fascist. Real Lemmy Leftists™ like me don't vote for democratic candidates and neither should you, zealous support for Trump is the only real way to bring down those evil Centrists!!!"
oooh~ so smart. No, I wasn't going to vote for Trump. Nothing I said supported Trump. I specifically said I dislike this administration; yet Clearly backing Center-Right Biden and Kamala didn't work, because it plunged us Back into fascism. Now, if you'd like to contribute something to how we could have avoided a Trump presidency, you can join me on what I've been spiraling on for the last year. Otherwise, keep it to yourself.
B…but muh GenocideJoe.
fucking book tour. of course.
Centrists look at both sides of the mirror and find the middle ground between reality and a black void.
She's RIGHT! If ONLY people Had SOMEONE to Vote for Trump would have LOST!
So I want to point out something interesting in the comments to this post:
There are two different segments of the comments, with wildly differing consensus views revealed in one segment versus the other (if you look at the votes). There's the top three comments (at least as it shows up to me), who think Kamala Harris is a big meanie liberal who deserved what she got and why isn't she helping us with Trump now. Then there's the whole rest, where there's actually a strong consensus along the lines of this:
Sore loser
Politicians aren’t athletes. She didn’t lose. The American people chose Trump. The American people lost.
... where the top comment is mildly downvoted, and the reply is heavily upvoted.
It is weird to me that there are two strata to it. I have a theory for why that is, but I am sometimes out of my mind, so I will simply point it out and that it's weird.
Lemmy is astroturfed by Russian and Chinese agents whose mission is to sow discord and harm America. Trump harms America.
When you view Lemmy comments on political posts through this lens, the reality of the situation becomes clear.
You know we're cooked when even the liberals have embraced fascist conspiracy theories about all of America's problems being the fault of perfidious foreigners corrupting our otherwise pure nation.
Yeah, pretty much. I've observed them getting confused before and letting it slip that they're not American. Usually the evidence is pretty circumstantial (even when it is less wildly speculative than I was talking about in this comments section) but sometimes it is honestly pretty unambiguous.
Kamala is a lot of things, but she is not a liberal. I can have honest disagreements with a principled liberal, but the Democratic establishment abandoned liberal principals long ago.
Hey @anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com -- remember when I said that "liberal" was basically a poisoned word at this point because it means so many different things to so many people that it often just causes confusion to even introduce it?
This is a pretty good example. I tried telling you that most modern Democrats are center-right conservatives as opposed to "liberals," and long story short you didn't like that. So just now I tried out applying the term using the modern "US politics" definition, where Democrats are "liberals," and now I'm all of a sudden in a what-words-mean-what-things conversation with this person. The original substance that we were talking about is forgotten.
@tinidril@midwest.social for what it's worth I actually agree with you here. I don't even know enough about Kamala's policies to be able to weigh in on where she stands, but if I had to guess I would say she is probably a center-right conservative and not a liberal. But as soon as someone says that, there's a whole new crop of people for whom "liberal" means "enemy," and they will crop up to yell at you that of course she's a liberal and how dare you try to defend her against that accusation, and so on, and so the conversation just becomes a big pointless argument filled with tribalism and accusations.
Of course, if that's your goal, then using the word "liberal" is a pretty good approach.
I hate to say it, but she's right. Trump was very clear about his plans. Anyone paying attention knew what was going to happen. Any sane person with a pulse would have won the election if the public wasn't so apathetic, ignorant, and/or misinformed.
if the public wasn't so apathetic, ignorant, and/or misinformed.
I don't think all of the apathy is inherent. Some of that's on her and the democratic party demoralizing their constituents. Yes, following game theory it is in their best interest to vote for the lesser evil and against the greater evil. I am politically active and I get that, so I voted.
Regardless, it still bothers me that a not insignificant portion of the Democratic party also knows this and takes advantage of this by coasting and doing the bare minimum. They seem more willing to spend their resources countering internal threats from progressives. It's not easy to stay motivated to support a party openly hostile to your own values.
I wouldn't be surprised if some of them would rather have a fascist opponent. Then voting comes down to, basically, vote for me because the alternative is fascism. How dare you question my policies (or lack thereof) or my soft stance our ally's obvious genocide? I'm your only hope. Vote for me or else.
It only works for so long, then apathy takes over.
Yeah let's report on Harris' book tour and not the pedopsycho oligarchs dismantling our nation.
It is possible to do both.
I think all she had to do was denounce the Israeli genocide and let voters know she was going to stand up to Israel.
just dont mention it, wouldve been enough. plus she had cards stacked against her from the start that was out of her control.
out of her control
I don't buy this. Yes, I blame a lot of Trump's victory on Biden, but I think Harris absolutely could have done something about it. She could have stopped Biden's campaign cold by saying she didn't believe he should run for a second term
Instead she went along with it, repeatedly stating she thought he was fit to run again. Either she is a poor judge of character or blatantly lied. Either way she supported a doomed campaign until it was too late for an actual primary
If you can't inspire people to vote for you the problem is you. I don't know why she thinks that's a good defense.
We should run Mamdani in 2028. Those who know a little bit about presidential eligibility will cry that this can't be done. Those that know more about presidential eligibility will recognize that it's entirely possible for Mamdani to run for and serve as president.
I mean, this seems pretty cut and dry:
Article II, Section 1, Clause 5:
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
The democrats snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
It was their apathy that allowed Trump to go unpunished. It was their decision to run Biden again, breaking a promise and preventing democratic primaries to find the best candidate. It was their decision to muzzle Walz. It was Kamela's decision to nuzzle up to conservatives in hope of getting their votes. It was their call whether or not to investigate Trump and Elon for fixing the polls.
Trump is a horrible person and politician. However, his sheer aggressiveness comes off as more genuine than the fairweather triangulation that the Democratic leadership loves so much.
We need dedicated progressives, not halfhearted centrists. People who give a damn.