Guided By Voices
Guided By Voices
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Tankies bad
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Commernism is when John Lennon starved A bazillion people and you have no freedom!
Capitalism is when tiddies burger truck football!
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You forgot beer, hell yeah
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It's like you were present at every one of my conversations.
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TBF there's not a lot of anti-commie music, but there is a lot of anti capitalist music. If you ignore the pro capitalist music we've at least kinda got the music.
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True but most of the places people would be inspired to write anti-communism music, they'd be in jail or worse for doing so...
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Because the right is completely devoid of creativity
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Communism isn't bad. Socialism isn't bad. Capitalism isn't bad. It's what humans do with them that is bad. Don't be a greedy dick and they would all work fine.
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Capitalism is definitely real fucking bad.
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Not really at its core, the problem, is like most things humans touch, is extremism and twisting it into an excuse to be an evil piece of shit.
Same with communism, it doesn't limit free speech or create dictatorships. It's just every attempt at it so far as ended up there
The overall issue with every system so far. Is they've been completely incapable of keeping the worst humans from rising to the top and ultimately destroying the system.
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Capitalism isn't bad. It's what humans do with them that is bad. Don't be a greedy dick and they would all work fine.
Capitalism demands greed and infinite growth in a finite and resource-limited world. It's inherently contradictory, regardless of your ethics.
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They're all just finely tuned creations from whoever is in charge. They can be all of those things, or none of them.
In the end, it's been oligarchs everywhere, so far.
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Any ideal stretched to 'black and white' is going to go badly, just differing on what startegies the 'winners' must employ to game the system.
To the 'infinite growth', that's actually possible, because we define 'growth' with this currency abstraction and with a whiff of inflation, the numbers can grow without end, satisfiying the "must do better than last year" itch while being able to stay level or even ertract in practical terms.
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Socialism is democracy expanded to the economy. And I hope we can all agree that democracy is better than feudalism / oligarchy. The unchecked power disparities that capitalism creates betray every ideal that democracy stands for
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We don't really have 'pure' socialisim and we don't also have 'pure' capitalism, which is for the best really.
Capitalism cannot model societies needs. Collective risks and fundamental human needs in the moment are areas that socialism is a decent starting philosophy.
The things that societies 'want' is often better done with capitalism. Entertainment, luxuries, some sorts of technological advancements.
Key thing is to apply nuance to get the best out of whatever system we choose to game ourselves with.
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Don’t be a greedy dick
Sure thing... it's not like capitalism is fundamentally designed to empower the pathologically greedy or anything, eh?
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No i get their point.
Unchecked capitalism evolves into evil. But capitalism itself just a concept. Concepts are not evil.
It might be possible to transfer the dynamics to something that isn’t the economy, my favorite example is “as a game mechanic” or “as a sexual fetish” the big one is that all participants/players consent to it and have the right to stop and retract consent without losing the means to live and survive.
I can argue the same thing with consensual (Mussolini) fascism, which arguably already has an ethical expression within master/slave bdsm role play.
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What do the pathologically greedy do in a socialist or communist system? They find a way to gain power except they have almost no competition.
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Every system of government is designed to empower the shitheads who came up with it.
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There's nothing morally wrong with being greedy by itself. If someone does a good thing for selfish reasons, that's still a good thing. If I decide to become a doctor because I selfishly want respect, admiration, and social or monetary capital, the world is still better off for me doing so. Sick people will get better.
Greed only becomes bad when you empower people to use violence to keep themselves on top. Most often it is the threat of state violence that forces people into situations where abuse occurs.
No, you can't disassociate from my factory because I own the patent (says the state), I own the land (says the state), and I own the distribution liscences, (says the state). If you violate my state given rights, the police will come and beat you. I can abuse you, and you can't leave because the state will punish you if you do. It's against the principals of the free market.
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Yup. Type B personality disorders will ruin any economic system you can think of.
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Yay, fuck minorities. Am I right?
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We could easily spend days trying to nail down what you mean by “bad”, and how one ought to assign blame for people’s actions, so I’ll just ask if you think that having a particular mental model of the world influences how you act?
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I have decided that empathy is good, and a lack of empathy allows for bad actions.
Greed on its own may be bad, but greed without empathy causes untold horrors.
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A system is just a system.
It's the people enforcing it and shaping it that make it a positive or a negative.
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Only to a degree. A terrible system like chattel slavery or fascism is always going to be terrible. Likewise, the wealth inequalities that capitalism creates will likely regress a country into an Oligarchy if given enough time.
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i feel communism is bein portraid as largely positively in recent times- butaybs thads jus me-
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Maybe in Germany? The rest of the world is still deeply anti-communist of all stripes. Lemmy is less so due to its roots, and Lemmy definitely does not represent real life.
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On lemmy and some other places online really, but surely not on mainstream tv and news.
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hmmm fair-
im jus.... hmm- most of the things shown in the image.... ive not rlli seen happen- or rathr- ive seen the opposite-
in school, peeps r vrri openly disclosin their political onions, n som r vrri leftist, openly sasinnthad they believe its jus the right way to hav the world work-
or with musics- i havnt rlli heard anti-communism songs... evr. The only thing that gets close wud be som money-celebratory kinda songs-Hmmmm
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Replace communism with fascism in the meme and sudden suddenly seems stupid.
Free thinking doesn't mean opposing common views by default, it means you reached your views (common and uncommon) by your own
You didn't get the comic. It's a critique of mainstream propaganda. Not an endorsement of the "free thinking" argument.
It's kind of stupid though, most sane people know communism hasn't exactly provided the pinnacle of human existence.
It feels less like a smart comic and more like a propaganda comic; "like communism if you are a smart free thinker".
Its not an endorsement, is a criticism of those who consider themselves free thinkers but only follow the what they have been fed.
The fact that it can't be reversed (by having the media something correct) shows the bias that "free thinking" is only good when it follows our personal bias.
Ironic how it's flying over so many heads