2w ago

Conservative DEI

cross-posted from: https://discuss.online/post/27181087

The idiocy goes right over their heads

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2w ago

Conservative DEI

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It can't be DEI, they aren't black women!
-conservative idiots
Freakonomics did this analysis a long time ago. I think it’s been a decade or more so maybe the landscape has changed, but, essentially, it’s not that education turns educators liberal, it’s liberals seek careers in education.
As for the rest, yes, this would be DEI.
- Interesting. I wonder about that, because the research on the student side seems to be the opposite: exposure to information, to a framework for rational thought, and most crucially to people of different backgrounds pushes people to the left. So how deep did they go? Would it be accurate to say that people who are educated seek careers in education, and since those people are more likely to be progressive, the transitive property applies?
  I wonder.
  
  I’d have to read it again to recall. I do remember money or the lack thereof being an influencing element, liberals leaning on the work itself before the money.
  As such, what she asks for may not be realistic, by the numbers.
That idea wouldn’t work. People tend to become less conservative after they’re educated.
- Unless you're stubborn and addicted to ignorance.
- There are still plenty of conservative people in higher education. I unfortunately know MDs (usually surgeons...) who are even against M4A, are racist, sexist, etc.
  
  every once in a while you end up in an ER where they aren't just throwing around gallows humor, they're being downright ableist. that's a whole different kind of fun.
So sick of these kinds of posts. At this point it should be obvious that the blatant hypocrisy isn't stupid or some clever "gotcha," it's the entire point. It's a demonstration of impunity and contempt for fairness and logical consistency.
- Indeed: Wilhoit's Law
Hm... so, I've seen conservative faculty before, and no, it's not great because you get some pretty wild takes. It's especially true of culturally conservative types (but less so of fiscal conservatives, they usually just have weirdly biased and racist takes).
First, consider the type of ideology -- if you get past the anti-science types that reject all evidence, conservatives who try to listen to evidence do some pretty wild mental gymnastics to maintain contradictions between science and religion. E.g. I knew a women who believed in Noah's ark but also was in psychology. To her, it was a bottleneck in human genetics, but like, c'mon. Bottlenecks are usually a few hundred, not a single family, lol.
This isn't so bad in some fields, but in social sciences it really falls apart because philosophically, you're talking about determinism and the concept of God's given free will, personal responsibility, etc, which gets challenged when your science is literally saying these behaviors are a result of environmental and genetic reasons. Sociology, criminology, psychology, all these make no sense at the core when you apply conservative ideology.
- And that’s why Economics and Political Science are the only sciences where you might find conservatives with valid scientific and political perspectives.
  
  And even then... an economics professor I had once suggested minorities are in lower SES because of genetics. Very much not a good, or accurate take. This was in 2010s.
  
  got a degree in econ at a right wing college. i took a macro course discussing economic growth in "3rd world countries", which had already fallen out of use in academia for "developing nations". The professor discussed how africa had basically been used as a playground for western imperialists (not his words) to test their economic theories via targeted grants, loans, &c. It wouldn't have been bad had he been able to contain his glee at the ideas. You could see the wheels turning that he had a plan of his own that had either already been executed or he was on the brink of getting the grant funded, so he could be the next imperialist in the playground.
  From a historian's perspective, it was fascinating (the same way Johan de Witt's death is fascinating) but there was no presentation of the idea that maybe we should stop fucking with an entire continent's economy just for shits and giggles. which would have been nice.
"Rules for thee, not for me"
So does it mean that it is both stupid to do regular dei and a conservative dei? Or does it say that it is fine to do regular dei and conservative dei as well?
- Remember, they're ~~conservatives~~ hypocrites. The correct answer is that conservative DEI is fine, while regular DEI is woke and bad.
I'm afraid to ask, but what order are you supposed to read those comments? I don't use those sites.
- DreamLeaf quoted Mollie's post and commented on it creating the first post. Then you have 2 comments in a thread below it.
To work at a university, You need to be educated. Education leads to liberal views. If You educate a conservative enough to be a professor, he'll stop being conservative. I believe that's called a cath 22.
It's the same reason they want the electoral college to overrepresent rural voters, but only that demographic group gets special treatment.

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