Germany is not supporting chat control
Patrick Breyer (@echo_pbreyer@digitalcourage.social)
This means that the proposal has once again been blocked. Wouldn't have expected that from our government TBH. Nice one!
Don't get tired. They will absolutely come again.
It is tiring and frustrating to know that it'll more than likely be back. At this point, we need a law that makes sure that this kind of surveillance is never legal. But the hurdles for that are unfortunately way higher than just getting a blocking minority.
Anyone who doesn't reflexively proclaim DATENSCHUTZ!!! at this, isn't a true German.
Sorry from Sweden! We have a spineless and stupid right wing government right now trying to be best buds with fascists. They just appointed an anti-abortion health minister from the tiny christian cultist party.
Unfortunately allowing for profit schools led to poor education about our history and economics so young people vote right wing and call themselves bourgeoisie now.
It's fucking embarrassing.
Unfortunately our social democrats are in favor of chat control too, it was Ylva Johanssons idea to begin with.
Yep. They've gotten stuck in the ratchet mechanism, moving ever further to the right as their opponent demands it. It's no longer the party my father voted for. They allowed the privately owned schools that will now be their demise, just so a couple of politicians could make a quick buck.
My vote has been with the Left for the last couple of elections. I think they've dealt with problem members (like the embarrassing Facebook conspiracy lady) admirably, instead of fiercely protecting them like other parties. But we'll see how it turns out by the next election.
What I do know is that another SD+M+whatever government will only lead us further down the same path as the U.S
Something good coming from this government? I can not believe it.
I was thinking: Something good finally came of DDR and Stasi.
They also made great glassware
I really didn't think this German government was going to oppose chat control. Well, apparently even the broken clock is right every once in a while.
Well it's what you get when you decide to instill democratic values in every school child for decades. Perhaps we should make note of that?
Someone tell the AfD, its voters and the conservative politicians who are so intrigued by their policies.
The EU made some great decisions. Chat control is NOT one of them.
Wait huh? That is unexpected
If you were paying attention it shouldn't be surprising. Privacy is the sort of thing that Germans generally get very worked up about.
I am german i know how high it is in germany. BUT german politicians are also constantly pushing for chat control. Especially the ruling partys SPD, CDU and CSU.
Axel Voss, the idea and guy behind article 13 SPD minister presidents and MPs constantly advocate and want chat control So the CDU and CSU "to controll and protect against pedos and terrorists"
But weren’t they undecided at first?
Nice!!!
Small victory for now
Yet again in recent history Germany saves us from our incompetent wannabe fascist leaders.
Yay Deutschland! 💪
German politicians are actually pulling some Ws. Even vdL made some good moves last week.
Good to see, maybe we'll get somewhere.
Yeah, not happy about the move to make medicinal cannabis more restrictive, but this is a win at least.
Halleluja
Great news!
The dacia sandero?
It's finally coming to England.
Do you remember when Clarkson finally just gave May a Sandero? Only to destroy it after a single drive
i got the impression that germans dont like the government snooping on them (stasi...) so they would never support these proposals in the first place?
Generally yes, there's always a lot of opposition to these kind of proposals in Germany. But the biggest party in power right now is known for its many attempts to massively increase surveillance.
And the fascist polling in second place would shred all our civil liberties in no time.
I sometimes wonder if there's something we could be getting behind to tip the scales the other way. It would be wonderful not to have to wait for this to show its ugly head again and instead have the pro-surveilance people on their heels trying to stop a pro-privacy movement.
Actively not supporting it or just not issuing any statement?
Actively not supporting it, at least in its current iteration.
at least in its current iteration.
That's the important part here.
Dobrindt is gonna hate this. Nice!
Why is there almost a north vs south divide?
Woah best news I've read today, that's awesome.
Some good fucking news.
See you guys next year to push it back again.
Maybe you should force referendums forbidding it and like mass warrantless surveillance including using data broker info without oversight.
Petition signatures demanding one, might take a bit but it is the only way to stop them. Short of electing better reps. Somehow that is not possible anywhere in the west on balance though.
You know what, you're right. Given the state of things we are far beyond just being reactive to that shit and have to proactively stop it. I'm sure there are already efforts in that direction, I'll look into it.
Or forcing the proponents of these reforms to reveal themselves. AFAIK they're proposing this crap to hit on everyone's privacy while keeping their own identities anonymous.
EU Constitution with a proper Bill of Rights of some sort including not being spied on by the government, unless permitted by a court or something similar.
@hector the masses are too easily driven to bad decisions out of fear.
Just consider the power of junk like the Sun, Bild and other rage-fear-and-misinformation “news” outlets.
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