Our Channel Could Be Deleted

All YouTube will be is just AI “creator” slop soon. People should be ditching that shit post-haste.

Before Google came along, most search engines were manually curated. I'm disappointed that nobody's had any success bringing that concept back. They always cave in and take the cheap route by trying to make the general public & algorithms rate things, which of course instantly gets gamed to uselessness.
- Isn't this a bit disingenuous to why they originally started to change the algorithm though?
  People figured it out and started abusing it by spinning up proxy websites that would just link to the sites they wanted higher up in the rankings. You could argue Google only became an advertising company so that they could regulate that whilst also taking a slice.
  I'm not arguing that they've since lost their way though.
- The pagerank algorithm worked fine for many years in the 2000-2010s before google transitioned into a full time advertising company
Aw, don't you love searching for an update on something just for the algorithm to show you a low view count video that's a mediocre computer voice talking over a barely related slideshow?
- Oh absolutely. And it’s one of the same 3 or 4 voices in every video. And not only that, but a lot of the videos themselves are AI. Check the comments… yeah. No one notices or even cares.
  It’s a foregone conclusion at this point. AI going to absolutely wreck the creativity of mankind. Art will be viewed in history books, and it’s fucking sad.

So I am completely ignorant about this, but... Would just hosting torrents to their own content work? I know the revenue might not be the same, but, would it be possible to keep it going around?

Fanimatrix was a fan made short movie that used torrents as the main distribution method. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/07/so-grimy-so-cheap-new-zealand-matrix-fan-film-becomes-oldest-active-torrent-in-the-world
Yea, revenue certainly wouldn't be the same. As in, there would be no revenue.
- Ad revenue. They'd still get sales through their store, as well as sponsor revenue.
Easier than that. Just put it on peertube
So, there are options.
You have three challenges:
You need to be discoverable
you need to be accessible
you need to monetize
If you just make videos and torrent them, you're not monetized, you're not discoverable and you're not really very accessable to the average person.
Youtube is this nifty one-stop-shop that provides all three to a certain point.
Peertube gives you some discoverability and lots of accessibility, but nothing for monetization.
Odysee gives you a tiny bit of discoverability and lots of accessibility, but almost nothing for monetization.
Floatplane (assuming GN wasn't feuding with LMG) gives you reasonable monetization and accessibility but almost nothing in discoverability.
edit: cut myself short
I'd like to see some form of partially federated system that works with peertube. I think the platform could scale and we could give youtube a run for their money.
- Surely torrent distributed video can still have sponsorships in it, stick it up as a video on your own website is an option too. Could even go for low res video on website (cheap to host) along with an option of HD torrent.
- What about Rumble? GN is on there and directly supportable.
Yeh, absolutely.
The DMCA takedown works because music/film industry execs have previously gone after YouTube for not responding to legitimate copyright infringements.
So YouTube now favours the person claiming the strike and makes it very difficult for the defendant to exonerate themselves.
Changing how they publish will sidestep YouTube overplaying.
But YouTube has revenue split with content creators, and has an absolutely massive audience with discovery algorithms and community stuff. Moving away from that platform would be an insane move
- Sounds like YouTubers should go after YouTube when this happens. Maybe a class action lawsuit for lost revenue?

He should be on PeerTube, anyways.

Waaaay less money to be made there. Not saying he's exclusively doing this for the money like the other reply, but we're not talking about some solo guy making videos in his free time for fun. The man is running a business, needs money to make this videos happen, and to my knowledge this is his job.
- Can someone explain me why creators cant do both? Reupload a mirror on peertube.
  Its in their interest to have a solid backup when youtube inevitably dies.
I do not understand why creators feel the need to be exclusively on one platform. Simply crosspost the videos.
- $$$ that's why. YouTube gives the greatest return. If they post to multiple platforms, not only is it more work, but they then also subtract from the number of views they get on YouTube. It's all about the $$$.
That would defeat the entire purpose of sensationalist headlines and blowing up a Google search as a "deep investigation" which is this channel's main source of attention.
They want the clicks on YouTube. Moving to PeerTube would be great if they just wanted the information to be out there, but that's not their primary concern.
- I don't think they're sensationalist, they just don't sugarcoat the industry bullshit. And believe it or not, they need to make money from this, it doesn't pay itself. It's like saying newspapers should be free, or else informing the people isn't their primary concern.
  "A farmer wants the money. Giving the good away for free would be great if they just wanted to feed people, but that's not their primary concern." Can even play that game for nurses etc
- Source of attention? By flying to another country and getting access to areas people never even knew? Lol wtf are you on about?
- Lemmy simps really hard for gamers nexus, even though they're just a drama channel at this point.
Nah. He’d be better off on floatplane. I wonder why he isn’t… 🤔
- LOL, the world may never know.
  I'm still not sure which side of that whole thing i'm on. I know he's less annoying than Linus. But even Billit labs seems to have less hate for LMG than he does :)

Time for them to at minimum mirror their channel to Odysee and/or PeerTube so that they'll still have a platform just in case their channel gets nuked.

Even if you don't plan on ditching YT outright, it's still a good idea to mirror to Odysee, PeerTube, or both, as a backup because of shit like this.

That was my first thought as well. As he's touching into these sort of topics, where he has to defend himself against companies with the greatest capital in the world, he won't stand a chance to survive on these traditional platforms. He definitely needs to launch a PeerTube instance.
But the thing is, with this size of a channel, it would cost a lot of money to maintain it.
- This extends to the animation review community and also the art and craft communities too given Google will probably flag those channels as underage with their AI at some point. Like, people like Saberspark, for example, also need to mirror to Odysee or PeerTube before their accounts get flagged, if not moving away from YT outright.
  Even someone like PhantomStrider would benefit from doing that as well, and tbh, with his public disdain for big social media lately, Odysee or PeerTube would probably be a breath of fresh air for him.

Stop building houses on the king's land.

I love that he responded to their takedown request by releasing an entire video about Bloomberg and their shitfuckery.

Bloomberg’s lawyer to Steve: how DARE you contact us without going through another lawyer

How is his channel going to be deleted? They appealed the take down and YouTube will reinstate the video in a matter of 10 days if Bloomberg failed to produce proof that he used their copy right shit. I'm actually genuinely asking because I watched the whole video and Steve didn't say anything about their channel being deleted.

Bloomberg has 10 days to file for lawsuit against Gamers Nexus. If they do, the take down stands, and it's a strike until Gamers Nexus may win the case. Which will be expensive. 3 strikes and YouTube closes the channel with near zero option for appeal.
Gamers Nexus cannot manage if a big company like Bloomberg goes all in. They can easily bankrupt a small channel like Gamers Nexus with frivolous lawsuits. And if you are bankrupt, you can't defend yourself.
The US judicial system is heavily tilted towards those that have more money.
- "small."
  Make no mistake. Gamers Nexus is a multi million dollar company.
  Sure, Bloomberg is much, much bigger. But while gamers Nexus is the underdog, it's not the toothless underdog. That little fucker will bite in bloomberg's ankles before it dies and tbf: it looks like it's already yapping and took it's first bite.
- But it's only one of 3 strikes.
  And I am sure it can even expire at some point.
  So what's the matter?
3 dmca/copyright strikes on a channel and yt deletes you. It was mentioned near the beginning of the video.
- Right but Bloomberg only did it once, right? Or are they talking about "in general"?
  Why is this being downvoted? I'm genuinely asking questions 😂.
How is his channel going to be deleted?
It's clickbait.
- It’s clickbait.
  That is an ignorant knee jerk claim.
  As I wrote in a previous response:
  Bloomberg has 10 days to file for lawsuit against Gamers Nexus. If they do, the take down stands, and it’s a strike until Gamers Nexus may win the case. Which will be expensive. 3 strikes and YouTube closes the channel with near zero option for appeal.
  Gamers Nexus cannot manage if a big company like Bloomberg goes all in. They can easily bankrupt a small channel like Gamers Nexus with frivolous lawsuits. And if you are bankrupt, you can’t defend yourself.
  The US judicial system is heavily tilted towards those that have more money.
  Buff
I would assume its in reference to the section of the video quoting YouTube's policies that channels can be removed after 3 copyright strikes. Bloomberg has 10 days to appeal to YouTube and keep the strike active
- Right, but Bloomberg only did it once. Unless Steve is talking "in general".
I sympathize with Steve and how he is, and how he goes about explaining things. And the style of making sharp points.
But he’s also flawed, and knows how to play the content game. This is nearly just clickbait. And they flew across the country in service of his style of rhetoric.
I honestly wish more people with audiences were just as pedantic and critical as he is. But he also has his own set of biases in the computer landscape. He is still a Gamer after all.
- I don't think it's clickbait at all. He's in real danger of being silenced. With this latest project he reached into a massive wasp nest for sure, but I admire his efforts to speak up in cases like this.
  And I haven't found any bias in his content in general. He's pretty transparent about his methodologies.
- I agree with you.

I would like to see more content relating to the last interview in the video with Mr. Pigeon. Truly think he has great arguments that need further airtime

So controversial, yet so brave
No! I'm sick of these influencers giving a platform to fascist birds. Enough is enough! cancelmrpigeon
- They can platform whoever the hell they damn want! #cancelcancelculture #cancelthewokemob

Time to move to nebula? :)

How about Floatplane /s
Or better yet PeerTube.
- Every substantial youtube channel should be hosting and backing up to a self-hosted, owned, peertube.
- I don't know if I'm stupid or not but I tried going to peertube and I couldn't for the life of my understand what I was looking at. It just seemed like a vague soup of instances with no continuity or ability to know what I was looking at. Maybe I accessed it wrong but I didn't fully get it.
- These days I am looking at their video on their channel on Rumble while working. I think they are achieving financial and political pressure in the most wholesome way possible.
  That said, I don't think I am going to click on anything else on Rumble, as it is all Tucker Calson, bitcoin and other shit like that. I don't see any future in it; it has achieved Dailymotion status in no time.
Nebula is a shithole, just have a glance at their privacy policy.
Floatplane would be ideal but I think he burned that bridge.
PeerTube is probably his best bet.
I don't want to see his channel deleted but I'm also VERY interested in what would take place in the aftermath...
- Nebula is a shithole, just have a glance at their privacy policy.
  https://nebula.tv/privacy
  It looks pretty run of the mill to me?
- Elaborate? Genuinely asking.. what is your key takeaways for "it's a shit hole"?

I don't watch his channel, but from here it seems like he is in a "rage" spiral. Like being a bit unpleasant and when people respond to that he doubles down going fro just a bit to kind of an ass

I don’t watch his channel
You could have stopped your comment right there, because what followed was nothing of value.
- I apologize. I thought you were someone that completely blew up when they read my comment. You didn't insult me
- No necessarily. "I don't watch his channel bit I whenever I hear about him he is in some sort of drama" is 100% true. I just wanted to know if I was wrong or not. The down votes tell me I'm wrong and I'm OK with that. But you started insulting me for no reason
Yeah it's strange why more people don't just give into corporate greed and losing ownership of their channels when they discuss potential (obvious) corruption.
Upsetting that they would react in a negative way!
Ive also only seen a few videos of his over the last few years but it seems like he's recently had some wildly successful videos based off exposing corruption in the PC/tech industry and has morphed his channel from tech reviews to some sort of investigative journalism chasing that high he got from said viral videos.
- He goes into detail on some of the videos, but to summarize the "controversial" videos due less well when it comes to recouping the money it takes to film them (if at all). They (often):
  have to account for more travel expenses to interview people
  can't be sponsored since no one wants to sign up for those kinds of pieces and depend on ad revenue alone
  can include additional legal costs (have lawyers review things, etc. )
  for things that are time sensitive, they can also mess with the work life balance of the team and the regularly scheduled content they've been working on
  stress from dealing with mega corps with the money to ruin you as a side quest
- Is that supposed to be a abd thing?
- Uh. Good for him
- Chasing the high? You think that is why he does that? Sit down and think ..THINK what you just said .. according to you his motivation is some junky high chase?
- The only high he's chasing is a money one. Controversy brings clicks.
- What the hell happened? .did my comment hurt you or some one you love?
  I don't care about him enough to go see if all the drama is justified, so I'm not going to. I just said what I thought, and without pretending to know it all.
  If only those who are up to date in his drama are allowed to say anything, then you only hear the crybaby fanboys, because nobody else cares

Oh no, no more YouTube tech drama

It's not YouTube drama, it's international trade drama.
- It’s a singular circle
On one hand, yes. Totally. Just like the Roblox vigilante stuff and the SKG stuff, etc.
But this video and those examples are connected to larger systemic issues in the world and in the tech industry. It’s not just YouTuber beefs or relationship drama.
- Totally agree. This is corpo, government doing stuff because they can, disregarding law they would have you uphold because you're beneath them.
  Corruption. Plain and simple.

Yeah I was about 1.5 hours in.