Well this explains why I like both.
Well this explains why I like both.
Well this explains why I like both.
I just figured I tend to like epic quests with funny looking people.
Isn't the "orc" an uruk-hai and the "goblin" the actual orc? I like the movies, but I'm no expert. Perhaps it's on purpose and part of the joke?
This is also doing hobbits dirty.
uruk-hai are born from dead elves, twisted by suramans magic, goblins and orcs are seperate species. basically they are reanimated soldiers(akin to frankesteins monster), or Kull warriors of sg1.
Scotty might be a space dwarf, but O'Brien is a space hobbit through and through.
Keiko is Gollum
I would argue that overt mysticism is what, largely, separates fantasy from science fiction. So something like Star Wars would, in my mind, be far more space fantasy than Star Trek.
40K did it better.
I'd have picked Tom Bombadill over Gandalf to line up against Q
I'd have made Quark a space dwarf (loves gold pressedlatinum, short in stature) and I'd have made romulans space goblins (descended from space elves, evil).
Every true Scotsman knows about space
Dwarf =? Scotsman
Aye, lad.
the Dwarfs in the original fairy tale lore of western Europe were just regular elves who liked mountains and mining.
dark elves of norse legends would romulans.
That is correct.
Both hobbit and space hobbit defy all odds to inexplicably save the day. It’s apt.
Would make more sense to compare LOTR to Star Wars because it’s usually given the space opera fantasy title. Star Trek is just regular science fiction.
Humans are the real space orcs
Side rant, Lord Of The rings Orcs are problematically categorized as evil yet are sentient and at least in the movies (I haven't read the books) that is never examined beyond providing the heroes cannon fodder and evil army to pillage the hero's home.
Klingons on the otherhand have been immensely fleshed out as a vibrant complex species with many subcultures that still exhibit a capacity and willingness to engage in violence that feels decidedly inhuman (but also of course quintessentially human too) and Star Trek subverts and confirms the stereotype of Klingons in a confusing way that only truly subversive storytelling bothers to.
Klingons could "just" have been Lord Of The Rings Space Orcs, but the writers of Star Trek have consistently chosen more interesting possibilities to expand behind the initial facade of who Klingons appear to be at first glance. For one humans don't win against the space orcs, they find other ways to end the war/wars that leverage an understanding of Klingons and making political gestures that are salient to their culture.
I don't mean this as a huge takedown or critique I just think the juxtaposition is interesting.
Same thing with the ferengi at least in DS9.
never read the book
ARRRGGGGG!!!!!
dies inside
OK, yes in the films the Orcs make little to no sense and are nothing outside of comic relief cannon fodder, but in the books they aren't like that at all. In the books almost everything "evil" is an artificial or evil magic version of something else as a way to counter it, like the Nazgul were an attempt to fight against Eagles. Orc were actually the first elves to come into existence, and the evil bad guy who was Sauron's boss corrupted and tortured them until they were orcs. They are meant to be a counter to elves, but making people out of evil motives and discordant thinking isn't that great an idea, so they aren't very good at this. but they do have their own language and family units, not weird birthing pits, and make their own choices, there's a few longer parts in the books where you're just following the orcs along. after the war the orc's are pretty pissed they got roped into the whole evil army thing, and vow to never follow "big bosses" again. Also Aragorn gives them their own lands. The humans and other beings that fought for Sauron were all roped into it with his lies and cunning, and were pretty upset when they found out all the horrible shit Sauron was up to, in the books no one's really THAT evil, and the orc's and goblins can be pretty goofy, but also very normal humanoid type of things.
ok cool good to know some more lore!
Shadow of Mordor and Shadow of War actually explore orcish culture and morality, the latter game more than the former. Ultimately, they've spent all their lives in a Morgoth and/or Sauron cult. The ones that don't buy into it are more chill, and some show signs that they could be decent or even heroic in different circumstances. Eltariel is able to make some progress deprogramming a couple, but siding with Talion, Celebrimbor, or even Eltariel mostly just has the orcs cast them as their new Dark Lord. It's probably possible to get the bulk of the orc population into a better place, but it would take many generations of concerted effort at a massive scale. They'd have to replace their entire belief system and most of their way of life just to leave the cult. Additionally, even when not following a Dark Lord, the orcs culturally favor bloodshed to settle conflicts. This isn't too big of a problem with other orcs since they can take shockingly large amounts of punishment without dying, but it's a huge problem when interacting with anyone else. And even that's probably solvable without wholesale destruction of orcish culture, but everything would take so damn long that it's well beyond the scope of LOTR.
To be fair, Klingons were "just" Space Russians in the TOS era. It wasn't until after after Praxis/Chernobyl when the Soviet allegory ceased being topical, that they had to find other themes for them to embody.
Even in TOS the Klingons weren't as flat as orcs are in LOTR.
Roddenberry always tried to make sure their motivations made them "heroes in their own story", while Tolkien wrote orcs as evil by nature.
Yeah but they didn't stay that way, DS9 had a Klingon restaurant on it!
*hot space elf
Glory, not even once.
How dare you to be so accurate!
Should've picked Pippin as the example for fantasy hobbits when you go for (nuisance).
I mean, the only real difference is setting and content between scifi and fantasy, so... This meme is simply ignoring all the parts that are significantly different. If you boil things down to character archetypes, then you could probably construct this meme about most anything. (especially with the tongue in cheek engineer and nuisance not really being so similar)
The human one made me chortle.
Could have said "space horny (human)"