3mo ago

Switzerland plans surveillance worse than US

Switzerland plans surveillance worse than US | Tuta

The proposed update to Switzerland’s Ordinance on the Surveillance of Postal and Telecommunications Traffic (VÜPF: Verordnung über die Überwachung des Post- und Fernmeldeverkehrs) represents a significant expansion of state surveillance powers, worse than the surveillance powers of the USA. If enacted, it would have serious consequences for encrypted services such as Threema, an encrypted WhatsApp alternative and Proton Mail as well as VPN providers based in Switzerland.

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3mo ago

Switzerland plans surveillance worse than US

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5mo ago

Switzerland plans surveillance worse than US - Tuta

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This is the first thing I've ever disliked about Switzerland (not that I know a lot about the country).
- There's a reason every billionair has a bank account in Switzerland.
  And it's not to pay more taxes. Or to launder less money.
  
  What this says is billionaires are entitled to privacy to hoard their $$$ but nobody else is for everyday life.
- For a more extreme example, look to the Principality of Monaco. Being so much smaller, it can be much more extreme.
This would be catastrophic to Proton AG
- In their AI announcement yesterday they mentioned that they are moving to the EU because of legal protections.
  
  The region that repeatedly insists on backdoors in any encrypted communications?
  
  Link?
Why is this world and timeline so hell bent on recreating dystopian sci fi novels from the 80s?
- two factors:
  those novels were warnings about the path we were on
  dorkasses like musk and altman missed the allegorical point
  
  Yea, true. And sad. We're fucked
- Because they were about late state capitalism.
- Torment nexus go
Ah, yes. The country that formerly let you have anonymous secret bank accounts.
- or are american
Considering that we might have a World War III or 2nd American Civil War in a decade or two, it would be foolish of Switzerland to not permit encrypted VPN. A stable neutrality is very profitable in a world of uncertainty.
It was inevitable. What did you all expect from the country that hoarded all that nazi gold?
- Wasn’t there an announcement from proton a few days back to possibly move their data Centers out of Switzerland because of this?
  
  they've been threatening this for year to keep suckling at the tit of governmental subsidies to make Switzerland look more attractive for investors with them being here. I doubt they'll follow through.
- I self host mine. Honestly I just self host as much as I can to avoid stuff like this because while many European companies are great you just never know. I was with Tuta but decided to self host, same for when I was using Filen for backups. Hell I'm even self hosting my git repos and search engine now.
Wenn die Schweiz dann ein Überwachungsstaat ist kann sie ja auch gleich in die EU eintreten
switzerland was never a utopia for anybody except corporations, billionaires, and nazis. their "neutrality" was nothing more than an excuse for unregulated capitalism.
“In a democracy, the right way is to argue, not threaten to leave.” Socialist member of parliament said.
Does this man understand the very first day this law would approve Proton is dead? Do politicians understand privacy at all?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Everything goes to shit.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Switch to Proton Switch to Proton Switch to Proton Switch to Proton Switch to Proton Switch to Proton
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Its always the next thing, and the next thing and the next thing. What's the new proton everyone will annoy the fuck out of us with?
This is why I stopped giving a shit. Actually. I do give a shit. I will let them surveil all of my shits, and garbage, and vomit.
- proton is currently moving their infrastructure out of switzerland because of this bullshit, so no reason to lose your cool
Switzerland never had solid privacy laws - and is known for intelligence service overreach for decades.
They had a Stasi like system of "who to imprison" when "the time comes".
They listen to all IP traffic in and out the country - which is concerning in times of traffic pattern analysis. And they are known for their close cooperation with US intelligence services.
Protons (and Threemas) claim of "soo good swiss privacy laws" is nothing more than swiss-washing. And they know it.
Proton has already given away data of its customers (climate activists) to the swiss authorities. And only talked about it when the press got onto it.
when legislation removes a whole well know phrase in one fell swoop. Bye bye "swiss bank account"
- There’ll be a clause that banks are exempt
  
  There might be but you ruined my quip!
Powers that would make the US blush!? Give me a fucking break. The US spies on all communication in the entire world.
Proton is a joke and their CEO is an obvious fascist. It was stupid to think a corporation is the answer to privacy anyways. They obey all countries rules and turn over your information the moment they are asked by governments.
The future of privacy in Switzerland is in the hands of the citizens. Let's hope they make the right decisions and encourage them to do so.
If these corporations really cared about privacy they would be promoting laws to make it enshrined in our constitutions. The reality is privacy is just another way to market to the masses who don't know better.
My cynical side says these "privacy" focused corporations not wanting privacy to be enshrined in law is because then every business would be privacy minded and their marketing advantage would quickly disappear.

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