Gravity

I've been reading a book about anti-gravity. I just can't put this thing down.

57k a year is a decent salary if you live in the UK.

A seasoned postdoc could expect to make 55K max. A professor a bit more.

57k€/year is a professional's salary in Italy.
Average is 32k€
With 57k€ you can afford to live comfortably, even get yourself a roomy flat, which is unusual for single individuals.
*Exceptions may apply, see Milan or other big cities
57k usd is a little less than 42k gbp
- Which is roughly the pay for a staff scientist or lecturer
Well then I guess they don't mean UK do they?
- If you think my comment was vacuous, you should see the ones that replied to it
55k dollars in the US gets you a crappy apartment and a 7 year car loan.
- you dont even need a phd to get that 55k salary, might as well not go to grad school.
- Can confirm
Postdocs are definitely not getting 55k in the UK except maybe if something like medicine is special? The range is like 36-45ish.
That is not a decent salary, that is so low. I made almost that much just out of college in the U.S. Once I made it just over 10 years as EE, I was double that.
- in the uk
  is the important part. you would be considered a high earner earning that

What do you mean no advances in the last 70 years?! In the last decade scientists detected gravity waves and imaged an actual real black hole. Also they've been steadily chipping at quantum gravity, give it a couple decades they'll get there.

unless we cancel all the funding

Aren't the first two things just experimental proves of Einsteins relativity theory from over 100 years ago?
I don't know about quantum gravity though.
- I wouldn't say "just", experimental proof seems huge.
  But if you want theories just go to PBS space time and open anything that isnt string theory or mond.
- A theory proven is progress, don't you think?
unless we cancel all the funding
Just had to fucking jinx it didn't you

Gravity is just a side effect of the fundamental laziness of all things. Causality moves slower near mass, so it's kind of relaxing to move towards it. That's why everyone does it.

PS: There is actually a SciShow Spacetime video about gravity being an emergent property instead of a fundamental force. And no I didn't get this from ChatGPT, I'm just that dumb when it comes to advanced physics haha.

Entropic gravity

Gravity was invented by Isaac Newton because he was invested in an airline.

That's the real answer. Always check on whose payroll somebody is.

Gravity is a fundamental force just like electromagnetism (supposedly)

Fundamental means it cannot be explained by being caused by something else.

But then they say gravity is an effect caused by spacetime curvature and electromagnetism is caused by quantum phenomena.

What is the cause for spacetime or quantummechanics? Idk but somehow they don't make it on the list of fundamental forces.

Classical science, for all the good it did and does, is an unironic joke and if aliens knew about it they’d be laughing at us.

Fundamental means it cannot be explained by being caused by something else.
Fundamental force means we expect a carrier particle to explain it (for gravity that’s the Graviton, although it hasn’t been detected yet).
electromagnetism is caused by quantum phenomena.
Not even remotely true.
What is the cause for spacetime or quantummechanics? Idk but somehow they don't make it on the list of fundamental forces.
Quantum mechanics is mostly that statistics is more complicated than we all thought . Seeking a cause for spacetime is interesting. It might be relevant to mention that there is a fundamental particle that imparts mass, which we call the Higgs Boson. I guess that could make mass and inertia something of a “fundamental force”.
- Maybe i am wording it wrong. I did make the comment half joking but my current understanding of how magnetism really works, which my physics teacher was unable to answer has a chapter on wikipedia called Quantum-mechanical origin of magnetism
  I have no degrees in this stuff though, i just think about them recreationally.
  The carrier particle thing to describe a fundamental force is new to me, and honestly feels very counterintuitive to how i started to understand things.
What is the cause for spacetime or quantummechanics? Idk but somehow they don’t make it on the list of fundamental forces.
Well, they are not forces.
electromagnetism is caused by quantum phenomena.
Lol what no

It is what make it risky to jump from the Burj Kalifa, at least on the last meter.

And yet, jumping from the Burj Khalifa at 1m off the ground is not very dangerous, so it's not the Burj Khalifa that's doing it
- And even if you jump from higher up, it's the ground that does it, still not the Burj Khalifa.
- It's not riky while you are falling from 800m, only at the end
Wouldn't the electromagnetic force be what makes jumping from the Burj Khalifa risky? It's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop.

I find it quite marvellous that the universe contains unexplainable stuff like this, actually.

Everything we know about all space and time is technically just entirely made up by us.
- It came from the Labratory of The Mind, yes, the work was entirely metaphysical, but here's the wierd part. They used that mental experimentation and applied it to real life action, and it worked. It's like imagining you have a magic carpet for years then you stand on one and it starts flying. It began as imagination of the world around us, then when checked against reality. It works. Someone figured out that if something was passing around a sun. A planet, that it would dim the light at regular intervals. They checked, it did, that's the only reason we know there's planets outside our solar system. Someone checked the lumens of stars and found the data matched the theory. We use the color variations of stars in a similar way to detect more data. It's quite remarkable. A recent discovery in gravity is that while gravity is a ''constant'', it actually fluctuates from place to place, I'm not sure if anyone figured out why yet, but if and when, how they find out, will be their imagining a reason, imagining how to check, checking in real life, and getting the data on if it's right or not.
- Made up, and then confirmed with experimentation against actual reality.
  Let's not pretend science is literature with extra steps. It's a process whos aim is to confirm things in a way that removes all possible alternative explanation or influence. A good experiment completely and fully removes the human element.
There is an actual logical proof that there are propositions in mathematics that are neither provable nor refutable.
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/goedel-incompleteness/
Unexplainable yet. We may be able to understand how Gravity works.
But of course you are right, there are absolutely things that can not be explained. It is (very probably) impossible to explain why our nature constants are the way they are or why forces act the way they do. The easiest answer to why they are the way they are is to say "They are this way, because if they would be a little bit different we could not ask this question". This sentence implies, that we live in some form of a multiversum and that there are multiple universes existent (in which form doesn't matter) but it is impossible to detect them.
- No, there actually are explanations for the effects as they exist in mathematical models. The problem is we do not yet have one single model that matches both quantum effects like superposition and cosmic scale effects like gravity and dark matter/energy.
  There is almost certainly some truth in those mathematical explanations, simply because it's unlikely that something that is 99.99% provably correct has no truth associated with it.
  The problem is, it needs to be 100%, with proven and confirmed experiments, not 99.99% correct, before scientists will call it a "solved" problem.
  Also the anthropic principle does not prove or disprove multiverses.

Mass go brrrr

Gravity is what makes my feet hurt when I stand around too long without moving about.

No, it's pain receptors
- Gravity is pain receptors. Got it.

While reading this I had a sudden flash of inspiration in which I saw clearly exactly how gravity works, but then when I started typing I forgot again. It's quite frustrating

Congratulations, here's your PhD

I mean for 57k a year it doesn't sound too bad tbh.

I could buy an apartment with that much ~
- With 57000¥?
- Apartments are rented, condos are bought.

Daily reminder that physicists contribute nothing to society /j

The far end might sound smart to you if you've never taken physics classes, but...

mavity

schmavity

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Gravity is not what makes your body limp. It would just heavily influence a limp body. PhD my ass.

This is wholly inaccurate. We do know what causes gravity; time dilation near matter (at least for smaller objects like the Earth). What we don't know is why gravity, because we have yet to produce a model that matches both quantum effects and cosmic behaviors like gravity and dark matter/energy.

"Quantum gravity" is the general term for what solution would describe something that ties these two universes of behavior together. The process of decoherence isn't terribly well understood as far as carrying effects clear from particle scale to cosmic scale.

Even then, some of the mathematical explanations from current models are plausible, but unproven.

Isn’t this half the plot of Interstellar?

Same as any theory, but it's enough to make Christians freak out

eVoLuTiOn is just a ThEoRy!

Gravity is the net effect of all electromagnetic forces and quantum fluctuations causing the smallest bits of information at the smallest scales to drift together over “time” due to black hole natural selection aka cosmic natural selection.

It is the universe using math to reproduce.

Gravity is how attracted I am to your mother

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Gravity is the opposite of comedy.