Spoken Varieties in Europe, c.1815
Spoken Varieties in Europe, c.1815
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The attention for detail is impressive
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It's probably my first time seeing one of these include information for North Africa.
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The use of hues suggests that Polish is a North Germanic language
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It could also suggest that Polish is similar to Catalan
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I don't speak either. So that's something both have in common.
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it's missing a blob of elfdalian at the northwestern end of the dalecarlian blob. crazy dialect.
also most of the blobs of "swedish" in the north of the country would not have been recognisable as swedish from people further south. pitmål and kalixmål are basically unintelligible.
overall the original thread seems to have way too many people finding fault with the image for it to be in any way authoritative. at least the creator is willing to do more revisions.
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Image is blocked. Try downloading and uploading it to lemmy instead of hotlinking to reddit perhaps.
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One benefit of hotlinking is that it saves on storage usage
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This is the picture link, using https://postimages.org/ : https://i.postimg.cc/wgQ4yndJ/i8wb22xehm1f1.png
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Thanks for posting this map. One mistake I saw: the language of Eastern Brittany is called Gallo without T.
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I’m not sure the borders between Savoyard, Francoprovançal and Burgundian are done well.
This map suggests where I currently live was speaking Savoyard or Burgundian in the 1800s. Savoyard is a form of Francoprovençal, so the distinct regions is weird. Burgundian is a langue d’oïl, and none of the region I live in was speaking a langue d’oïl. They were speaking a local dialect of francoprovençal. Quite distinct from savoyard.
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From someone living near Frankish, Hessian, and Swabian germany, this is still accurate (for now).
I have a Syrian coworker who speaks in the thickest regiolect, and it’s incredible to watch racist old people immediately change their minds about him when he opens his mouth.
I’m also an immigrant and was complaining to a German friend about how I can understand Dialekt, I just can’t respond in turn and I felt like that was a failure in my German ability. She noted that it’s like that for Germans too, which is why it’s mostly older people who have a strong dialect (in the cities).
Yeah I don't have dialect pretty much
It’s about 80% of young urban Germans I know whose grandparents have a strong regiolect that they can understand, but not produce. I find that super unfortunate, but I do hear a lot of strong dialect from young people in rural areas, so I hope it’s a problem over exaggerated by a selection bias.
And my coworker has only been here around a decade, so it’s still there somewhere
As far as I know, the traditional German dialects almost have disappeared after WW2. What's remaining is people speaking regionally "coloured" variants of Standard German. E.g. Bodo Bach doesn't speak traditional Hessian, but New-Hessian.