Then, after you get “saved” from suicide, they strip you of your rights and shove you in a cell for up to five days.
And that attitude is what the staff will have towards you. You are there to be punished for daring to be suicidal and trying to reject the gift of life. You’ll probably lose your job after the hospital stay, and then get stuck with thousands in bills for the “treatment” (sitting in a room watching day time tv while you listen to people in psychosis or dementia getting the shit beaten out of them by the staff.)
But this is a good thing! It’s so much better to be alive then not dead, that’s why we need to abuse suicidal people!
i always thought (and pretty sure this is the case in most cases) that suicide was technically a crime to give police an excuse to bust in to stop an attempt if needed. not to put people in fucking jail for failing to go through with it.
but then again the us would like any excuse to incarcerate people so who knows.
They don’t put you in jail - they put you in a “hospital” you can’t leave, which is basically a jail that pretends it helps you. Instead, you get maybe 15 minutes with a psychiatrist (I don’t understand how the one from my suicide attempt passed his TOEFL), who will prescribe you anti depressants. Leaving is contingent on agreeing to take these anti depressants. All of the other staff are random, uncertified people who have the legal right to physically assault you. These are the same people that decide whether to give you a grievance form after beating you up (which gets tossed in the trash anyway.)
Research suggests that suicide rates go up after inpatient hospitalization. A substantial aspect of my PTSD is related to abuse as a child in inpatient facilities. I’m an adult that still has nightmares over this shit.
This is why I never told anyone when I held a gun to my head. I was afraid it would ruin my life after I didn't do it.
No no, you don't get it. You have to suicide the slow American way with cancer and heart disease. Pick your favorite form of socially acceptable self mutilation today!
This capital battery is not yet used up; it may not be ejected.
this comment section might be insane
Lemmy do be like that.
reality is insane
The Hippocratic oath is far too frequently interpreted as a mandate to unilaterally inflict life as broadly and indiscriminately as possible.
What is the root cause of suicide. I say finance..
Depression, but a lot of time finance is the root cause of depression.
Mental illness. Not saying suicide is a mental disorder or you need an mental disorder to be suicidal. Its mostly the stigma of both mental illness and suicide.
Sometimes being trapped with your own mind can be hell
Pregnancy
And then the people all clapped and patted themselves on the back for saving the guy and went about their day. But the guy went back to the same life full of problems that led him to despair. Crippling debt or depression. Estrangement from loved ones that are no longer willing to reconnect. Loneliness or defamation or disease. It's easy to save someone from jumping, but this is not help. That is not the help they need. They need constant and long term help, assistance, and support.
Saving a stranger from a suicide attempt has a vibe to it like preventing an abortion from happening without providing any further support for the mother or the child. Congrats, you saved a life, technically. But you did nothing to save the life.
No you dumbass they are going to be sent to get help.
Nearly everyone that attempts suicide and survives regrets trying and are glad they've failed.
Sorry for my strong language, but I've had friends and loved ones struggle with mental illness. A few have attempted suicide and either failed or have been stopped. I once took a friend's gun the day before he tried to commit suicide. If I had not done that he would be dead today, but today he is happy. He has a life worth living and is doing infinitely better.
Suicide attempts are a mental health crisis. In that moment that person is not of a sound mind and incapable of making that decision.
This is nothing like going to a doctor and seeking a medical procedure like an abortion. If anything this is like a woman throwing herself down the stairs in an attempt to end a pregnancy. They don't need to be allowed to throw themselves down the stairs. They need to be stopped and given access to proper medical care.
There's a chance someone else in that crowd understood and began taking daily time to interact with the man. It's not impossible.
You just doubled the abortion prevention vibe
This is why I dislike people who stop suicides. It's their choice and their right. Mind your business, asshole
Ironically though, the ones who are driven to suicide are often the ones you want to keep around. The ones who cause the pain should be removed from our world
I’m grateful someone stopped my daughter’s suicide.
What I think would be most ethical if I saw someone about to commit suicide by jumping (or other means) would just be to use my words to talk with them but not physically stop them.
Can't die, he still owes us taxes /s
Ohh, my turn to post this classic:
The view from halfway down - Alison Tafel
The weak breeze whispers nothing
the water screams sublime.
His feet shift, teeter-totter
deep breaths, stand back, it’s time.Toes untouch the overpass
soon he’s water-bound.
Eyes locked shut but peek to see
the view from halfway down.A little wind, a summer sun
a river rich and regal.
A flood of fond endorphins
brings a calm that knows no equal.You’re flying now, you see things
much more clear than from the ground.
It's all okay, or it would be
were you not now halfway down.Thrash to break from gravity
what now could slow the drop?
All I’d give for toes to touch
the safety back at top.But this is it, the deed is done
silence drowns the sound.
Before I leaped I should've seen
the view from halfway down.I really should’ve thought about
the view from halfway down.
I wish I could've known about
the view from halfway down—And now I want to watch bojack again
I love this poem to death (ironically enough). Planning to get a tattoo related to it.
My personal moral code is that we should only use communication to try to stop suicide, I think it's unethical to physically stop them.
I would only get them out of the situation once they tell me they changed their mind.
Yeah this is the same thing I've established. Just be like "hey I won't physically stop you, but I suggest you reconsider"
I respect your line but will not follow it for myself.
Damn the guy must have felt terrible in that moment.
Well yeah you finally have the knowledge that this earth isn't worth living in and finally overcame your body's built in instinct to not die, and some assholes literally force you to stay alive by grabbing onto you like nearly every depiction of hell or hades that has ever existed including tying you to the bridge with ropes.
Or maybe it's the most cared for he's felt in a long time. There's something powerful about having that many people care and dedicate time to saving you.
The reasons for "why" he was trying to commit suicide definently would effect how he feels about this
I bet they chatted shit to him about their god as well
You don't know if the man was willing to be saved at this point, he may have been in a situation where he wasn't able to hold himself up. Also this appears to not be the US, I assume they have their own cultural views on suicide and often cultures do have longer term solutions for people who are suicidal, Some cultures in Africa will take a normal workday off as a group and have a public celebration of sorts they will stay in the sun most of the day and community members will all individually take time to talk to the community member in need and show effort to spend time with them about anything at all, they rarely talk about their troubles is what I understand. There are approaches that differ from the west and there's places with less stigma.
From a suicidal persons pov that’s exactly what I imagine that would feel like. Also the insane amount of embarrassment from a huge crowd of people that are all there because of you. Some of whom are probably “it’s all in your head” kind of people. It is hard enough to open up and show your feelings to one trusted person, let alone an effin crowd.
That said, the guy that they saved can now say “F you and see you tomorrow” so that’s something.
Fuck you. But I'd save you anyway.
My intrusive thoughts vs my procrastination
(Yes, I do go to therapy)
(Yes, I do go to therapy)
Good for you, srsly. All the best for you, we're rooting for you!
This is one of the reasons not to try it in a public place, especially a busy one
Or the opposite of that.
The anti theses of the Rammstein song "Spring" (jump) where a guy is on a bridge just to enjoy the view until other people come who mistaken it for a suicide attempt and encourage him to do so. This ends when someone decides to actively help him
I can't take Till seriously anymore, but that is one of my favorite songs ever. The mood is just so jarringly depressing. The song really paints a picture.
You have a couple of decades worth of life left to deal with. You've got an eternity to be dead, and it could suck worse. Plus, if you're a Buddhist or Hindu you're probably gonna have to go through it all again. Might as well see this ride through to the end of the line.
What if I'm already sentenced to hell, and prolonging my life is going to lengthen/worsen my sentence due to violations of laws I am unaware of (think of The Good Place)?
What if we're dealing with a sadistic god, who dishes out punishment proportionally to one's willingness to hold onto hope - and just ignores suicidal people because they're not worth the trouble?
What if, as others suggested... nothing, at all?
How did you come to the conclusion that your speculation has more weight than any Roko's Basilisk type shit I can come up with in 5 minutes just because I'm bored?
I wish I could put you in my place and make you read that. Fuck you.
Why? It's a simple risk assessment based one question:
If I kill myself, will it stop the pain?
And the answer is that I don't know. Neither do you. For all we know, it could be worse.
To me, that's an unacceptable risk.
Anything you infer or think I'm implying is based on your own assumptions (which are shallow and self-centered - you have no idea about the amount of pain I've suffered in my life, so fuck you very much too - pretty arrogant to assume you have a monopoly on suffering).
My original statement isn't a moral or religious statement, it's just one of fact. You have a limited amount of time to live. You have (apparently) an unlimited amount of time to be dead, you will be dead eventually no matter what, and being dead could be much worse than being alive depending on what you experience.
The odds that things will get better with suicide aren't in your favor. That's just a fact, kid. Don't be in a rush to make things worse for yourself and everyone around you.
As a counterargument I'd like to point out that when there's enough pain present you might just want to tap out.
Especially now since one of the lovely American corporates decided to fuck up pain medication for those that needs it for decades at the minimum, because they just had to get that fucking profit.
I'm not even American and I'm on about a third of what I theoretically should be. My doctors admit this, but anything more and there's a risk of malpractice bullshit.
Hence, pain. Fuck that. I'll tap out when enough is enough.
If I can't have confirmation that the afterlife exists, NOBODY gets to kill themselves. Fucking idiots.
It's an evolutionary trait from preventing harm to a herd member. It kicks in automatically for everyone but the far end of personality disorder spectrum, regardless of what rational thought patterns are without the surge of adrenaline.
