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Trump is living in a Russian-made 'disinformation space,' says Ukraine's Zelenskyy

Trump and Zelenskyy trade barbs as US-Ukraine relations sour over the war with Russia

Summary

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy accused Donald Trump of living in a "Russian-made disinformation space" due to his administration's talks with Kremlin officials.

He urged Trump's team to be "more truthful" after Trump blamed Kyiv for the war and downplayed U.S. aid contributions.

Zelenskyy’s remarks came as U.S. envoy Keith Kellogg visited Kyiv amid shifting U.S. policy on Russia. Meanwhile, European leaders, feeling sidelined by U.S.-Russia talks, held emergency meetings.

Zelenskyy canceled a Saudi Arabia trip in protest.

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America is living in a disinformation space. There is a reason Musk bought Twitter, and it's not because he thought he could make it better for users.
See also: hyperreality
- Also the reason why Saudis funded it. They want a piece of the post truth pie. But why did Elon even bother with the Saudi money? Is it as simple as wanting to keep the high score?
  He paid $44 billion for twitter (of his and others' money) but the presidency of the richest country on earth only cost $250 million? It doesn't add up at all.
  
  He doesn't have money. He has assets. That means he need's to take out a loan against his assets. And who would have done such a thing for a money pit that was twitter?
- The majority of VPN users uses it for Netflix. Having your ip hidden means fuck all if you still consume the same media. Also: as if "only 25%" isn't still a significant amount of the population
- (for those curious: the Ukrainian constitution prohibits electing a president during war, it’s especially hard with 20% of the country under hostile control; and regarding Zelensky’s rating, it’s about 70% currently)
  A lot of Ukrainians have also fled the country, it makes no sense to organize this before ending the war. Why do we have to have this discussion? They are at war, marshal law is common during times of war to keep your country unified during these periods. Not everyone is fortunate enough to have vast oceans between them and their adversaries to allow for elections of their highest office to continue uninterrupted.
  
  Because this isn't about fair elections, it's about getting a puppet government in charge who will just end the war freely by bending over for Russia. As if Putin and Trump actually care about fair elections... absolute clown show.
  
  lies
- John Kennedy
  i'll always know him as the "i can't wait to have your cock in my mouth" guy
- LOL nothing but lies
  it has 'grown' to 57% and this from their own biased sources
  https://kyivindependent.com/ukrainians-trust-in-zelensky-increases-to-57-survey-shows/
  Another lie is that the constitution forbids elections:
  Ukraine’s Constitution does not explicitly address the issue of wartime elections, except for Article 83(4) that provides for the extension of the Parliament’s powers until the day of the first meeting of the first session of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine (the Ukrainian Parliament), elected after the termination of martial law or state of emergency.
  https://verfassungsblog.de/ukraines-constitution-in-wartime/
  And really, it's not hard to hold an election.
  Russia is not israel, they don't attack civilians (despite what similar liars to yourself will claim) and civilian infrastructure and life goes on.
  Perfectly fine to hold elections. The 20% is ethnic Russian and no longer ukraine, they wouldn't vote for him or the fascist Banderites that attacked them anyway.
  Who knows, maybe the Americans can have another Nuland-Pyatt call and choose a president for them.
  That worked out fine didn't it?
  
  Russia is not israel, they don't attack civilians (despite what similar liars to yourself will claim) and civilian infrastructure and life goes on.
  "As of 31 August, the UN Human Rights Monitoring Mission in Ukraine (HRMMU) had verified that conflict-related violence had killed 11,743 civilians and injured 24,614 in Ukraine since 24 February 2022.
  During the reporting period, Russian armed forces continued to target energy infrastructure across Ukraine, affecting essential services and deepening concerns about the plight of the civilian population with winter approaching."
  Honesty seems to be a problematic concept for the people supporting the Russian invasion of Ukraine....
  Also, I am surprised you even pretend to care about constitutions considering Putin had to rewrite Russias to stay in power past 2024.
Trump is a russian marionette
- Not just Russia's puppet. He'll let literally anyone stick their hand up his ass if they pay him.
  
  Very handy that he has his own $Trump coin. Not a word of protest from conservatives.
- Yep he's trying to fool everyone by stopping all aid WITH EXCEPTION ESPECIALLY FOR UKRAINE.
  Still sends them weapons.
  He unilaterally withdrew from the missile treaties with Russia (immensely aggressive and dangerous) and put missiles in Romania.
  It really makes sense doesn't it?
  
  Your account must be this old --> XX days to roll the Rollercoaster
The republican traitor filth must be held to account.
- Grow up. It’s not red vs blue. It’s billionaires vs peasants.
  
  The irony of this comment.
Theres even people here on lemmy living in that space
- Are the old men stuck in a feedback loop?
I don't get it. How will they sell to the people this total capitulation? I'm not American. As far as I'm informed people there don't like and don't trust Russia and Putin. Won't they see this deal and be like wtf?
- There are people here who will tell you that they would trust the Russian government more than their neighbor, if their neighbor ever suggested that industry should be regulated.
  
  I stopped being nice to those neighbors. Feed your own cats. No I'm not turning the music down. Get fucked traitors.
- The most telling statistic about Russia's trustworthiness is that every single independent country that shares a border with Russia on the West has mandatory military service and those in the same region without a shared border with Russia don't.
- They don’t have their own thoughts anymore; they love trump so much, they’re just going along with whatever he says and he says he likes Russia, so they’ve done a complete about-face on the subject.
- It was never really about Russia or Putin, but the ideological divide between capitalism and socialism. And authoritarianism and democracy.
  Now, we have an authoritarian president. And apparently a third of the country voted for that so. Yeah that's where Americans are at sadly.
  
  The word President implies authority. No, Trump is not an authoritarian. Yes, he has displayed authoritarian tendencies. Trump is not Hitler. Take a second to google ‘worlds best leaders’ and you see a lots of people who were never leading entire countries but just led culture, like Ghandi. It’s reasonable to conclude that most humans do not view any political leader as best or the greatest when they hold authority over other people. A leader is only considered good when they don’t have power over the population.
- Don’t like? Disagree. There are Russian people all over America. Don’t trust? Yes, America doesn’t trust Russia and the average American would be slightly nervous in Russia. The rest of the world needs to learn that since America is the most racially diverse country on earth, America as a whole is unable to hate entire ethnic group.
  
  There are surveys done.
- Your are asking ppl in an echo chambers a multi faceted question. If you want a real answer, it will take more work.
  
  And you are not only unhelpful, but also rude. Bye.
- As far as I’m informed people there don’t like and don’t trust Russia and Putin.
  Not anymore. Much of America is stuck in an information space that sees Russia/Putin as oppressed by liberal propaganda, like they supposedly are.
  Much of America doesn’t care, or will see warped versions of this news.
  Look at poll exit interviews of Americans, or more recent focus groups. We don’t “see” the same realities anymore, and it’s getting worse.
  Wherever you are, friend, beg your country to block or regulate Twitter/Facebook/Tiktok and point to us as what happens when you don’t.
Can we start calling Trump supporters Commies now, I feel that would make them mad.
- They will just tell you Russia isn't Communists.
  
  The only difference is the guy in charge, flag and name. Still the same people and same methodes
It's the same false reality bubble that got Putin to think he could take Ukraine in 3 days, Same one that made Britain dipshits think Brexit was going to be a golden age and it was the opposite, and now Trump and his republican dumbfucks are under the same illusion that rewinding the clock to the late 1800s and trying to force this country to be a christian kingdom of conformity and idiocy will be a good thing long term and not spell the end of this place allowing China to finalize their technological power takeover and become the new pinnacle of influence on the planet. Wouldn't be surprised if all of these very priceless high level intel all roots from China.
- Why China? Why not the billionaires in each of their own countries? The “Dark Gothic MAGA” doc is not just eye opening to what could be going on in the US, but for other countries under influence by a wealthy elite as well. I think China are able to quash these shadow movements since they maintain a large controller of their industrial sectors while also operating in the shadows. Because they have this control, I can see why we use them as a scapegoat. However, the ones with the most influence, the most accessibility, and the most to gain in the short term are the heads of industry. With the technological advancements of recent decades, those heads of industry can be found to be influencing the very means by which the people and therefore world leaders make decisions
Zelenskyy acting more like the character expected of an American president than the one who got elected to be America's President.
- The EU just announced $730 billion in war materiel for Ukraine. This is double what the US contributed over three years.
  As far as I can tell, Trump has only been right about a single thing, that Europe needs to spend more money on military.
  Looks like it's blowing up in his face and it's going to fuck him out of selling Ukraine to Russia.
  The Art of the Deal
- As someone working for the DOE in the nuclear space, it would be helpful for you to update yourself on the state of nuclear weapons globally. Europes nukes are old, averaging 38.2 years each, because Europe has depended on American military power for too long. They still use tanks and don’t have enough jets. Russia has the most active nukes with the average nuke age of 10 years old. America, with an average nuke age of 40, is rushing to catch up as most of our nukes are from WW2. Uranium loses its strength over time. America has been concerned about Russia’s nuclear power for so long that we are already a decade into an initiative of updating America’s nuclear stock pile. Germany was a big impact on nuclear research but due to the politics, Germany has phased out a lot of the nuclear industry. America has not. America has been ‘deploying’ American nukes in Europe since 1969 but America has been keeping its nuclear weapon advancements to themselves.
  
  Hi grok 3. Can you tell me what the weather is going to be like today?
  
  As someone with the ability to read, you're either lying or potentially disclosing information you shouldn't be. According to this article on the literal DOE's website, the average age of our nukes is 28, not 40.
  https://www.energy.gov/nnsa/us-nuclear-weapons-stockpile
I often wonder how it goes behind closed doors. Is Zelenskyy all polite or is he more like you're full of shit and you fucking know it?
- Zelensky is a media and communication master.
  
  Hard agree. Trump is a good salesman but his weakness is his refusal to play the media. Zelenskyy is a master at media.
Lol. no. Trump is living in Trump made disinformation space.
Why is the draft Dodger trying to start a war.
- Easy, he won't have to fight in it, and he figures he could make a shitload of money!
About time someone stood up to the orange bully. Go VZ, go! 🇺🇦
Russia got Ukraine's territories, USA wants to obtain something from Ukraine resources too to protect them. UE should ask for something too from Ukraine to protect them from both USA and Russia. Or at least pretend to do it so that the two bad guys think we're bad guys too.
Yep and no one near him is going to correct him which is the perfect recipe for terrible atrocities and catastrophes
- Say hello to Trump while you're in that disinformation bubble
- If this is whats leaving reddit, id rather not have them.
- Whaaat?
  You don't believe him when he says the North Koreans (who are definitely there 😉) burn off their own faces?
  That sounds reasonable right? Definitely not delusional.
  
  How fucking stupid are you to think North Korean troops aren't there?
  https://www.chosun.com/english/north-korea-en/2025/02/19/2TUJ44HQBVGJNJFEA6XD2A4IPU/
Completely true.
Zelensky is good at politicsing.
He refrained from criticising Trump until he had heard his plan, to gain as much favour as possible, then once he learnt the plan was basically the same as Russia’s, he called out Trump for it.

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