is proton still a viable alternative?
is proton still a viable alternative?
I know the CEO dug himself a pretty deep hole recently.
I had been meaning to switch all the services I currently use over to proton - but his remarks gave me pause.
Is it still worth considering?
Yes. If you don't agree with the CEO, keep in mind that he is not the owner, they moved to a nonprofit structure. Proton's CEO is not the first one saying stupid things, the same happened with Mozilla, Brave, and perhaps many other reputable groups.
Proton products are good, IMHO the layout is OK.
It's good, but not the only one. If you don't feel comfortable with Proton, go to Mailbox.org, Posteo, Tuta. They are smaller, with less products on their portfolio, but reputable and as good as Proton.
Tuta is a front for a western intelligence agency from what I understand. Came out in an espionage trial in Canada recently. It was in the news.
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At this point I'd take another look for alternatives to avoid throwing money at this particular CEO clown.
Yeah - mostly was the hope of this post to see what others you put up.
I had looked at tuta but I'm looking to be able to move my digital workspace (email, calendar, storage, docs, etc) over.
FWIW, tuta offers email, calendar and contacts. That's a good part of it sorted out.
For storage, if you're not up for self hosting Seafile or Nextcloud, look at https://filen.io/
Or, check out https://disroot.org/en which has email, storage, calendar and contacts.
AFAIK none of the above have office suites like you might expect coming from Google or Microsoft, but in my experience installing LibreOffice on your local machine solves that. Not everything needs to run in a browser.
This is a great site to see recommended products for use like proton and their alternatives.
While Proton does offer a lot of services that are useful, some people dont want to put all their eggs in one basket and use various products together.
Apart from the CEO, I've been a bit concerned with the number of outages recently with quite poor and inconsistent communication or updates - not especially long outages but made much more stressful. There's something really off about the way they communicate things I've found. So that combined with the idiot CEO has made me start the process of moving away from Proton, I don't trust them any more.
I think the best strategy is to spread thinly, don't become reliant on any one provider.
Eh, ACAB: All CEOs Are Bastards. Tim Apple attended Trump’s inauguration.
I think that there are several things to consider here:
- Is is usable software? Yes
- Is the company trustworthy? In my opinion not, a MAGA CEO is a security risk when you take a look at what is happening in the USA right now.
- Does it feel good to support a MAGA CEO? No
If you are going to spend time and money migrating to another service, choosing one that seems to be headed in the wrong direction seems ill-adviced.
European-alternatives.eu seems like a good resource to find alternative services.
Personally I am waiting to see if Murena.com restores their nextcloud offering, as I am planning to move to /e/OS on my phone again and wouldn't mind sending a little money their way. I'm not into hypersecurity though, if you have very particular needs others will have better insights. For me having it hosted in the EU is good enough.
They look pretty good; I can't tell from their site of they offer custom domain support for email.
I have to say I found this article insightful: "Does Proton really support Trump? A deeper analysis (and surprising findings)"
It inclines me to give him the benefit of the doubt. He clearly got stuck trying to make his point and at some point just stopped explaining. My feeling was that that was good decision because he stopped digging a deeper hole.
got stuck trying to make his point and at some point just stopped explaining.
Oof, super been there before
This is a great write up on an absolute storm in a teacup
I think Proton still offer a strong UX and great privacy, what are your main worries ?
I don't get why people hate companies based on one person instead of the company as a whole.
Well the company's board has a choice on who represents them and what their values are as a whole.
If the company thought that this person (CEO on this case) doesn't represent their values effectively they can remove them.
I'm tired but:
- you'd need to compare the checksums of their web-based cryptography at every login,
- you could use their bridge but you'd need to give your OpenPGP passphrase to change your settings, for no reason
- they have the CIA at their administration council,
- they have an history of unethical behavior toward Twitter survivors,
- they have an history of spreading conspiracy theories,
- they have an history of contacting hosting providers asking them to remove blog posts,
- they didn't share the Lavabit fundraiser so they could get quietly issued a US National Security Letter (overriding the First Amendment and preventing Ladar from appealing),
- they can access to your entire mailbox anyway, not just to the email contents,
- this has enabled the arrest of Social and Climatic Justice activists, they replied they couldn't resist a Swiss court order (so that's not their fault I guess, the tech is just bad)…
Why would you trust them for your opsec, and why would you enable them further?
Alternatives include Disroot, Nubo, and Zaclys.
#Proton #ProtonMail
For being tired this outlined a lot of great points and good alternatives. Nubo has my eye and I'm going to look into starting the process with them.
I'm quite happy with the products. Not as happy with the company after the event you mentioned. I upgraded my plan not long before that happened (they had a pretty good deal going) so I will stay with them for now but I will need to consider what to do once the prepaid time is up.
maybe not important to some, but I was super-unpleasantly surprised a couple months ago because proton deleted my dormant account. my recovery account received a couple of warning emails (didn't check that one in ages) and when I finally got around to it, gone.
so if you're thinking of using it for anything long-term, know that you have to log in once in a while or it's gone.
Pretty sure that's just for the free tier accounts, but I could be wrong.