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Jesus Christ.
So GDP isn't a good measure to use for this. The price of goods is very different from country to country, and GDP often doesn't translate to living conditions for the average person.
I tried to look up some information, since I don't actually know which is the poorer country, and I had no idea how really bad it was in North Korea. Haiti is a nightmare also. People are starving in both countries, which of course means that things are real real bad. But...
Average annual income in Haiti is $1,760. That's sure not great. Even with PPP, that's bad.
It's hard to tell anything about North Korea. But here's what I found: Average legal annual income in North Korea is from 60,000 to 120,000 won. Guess how much an egg costs?
1,500 won.
A standard legal income in North Korea is from $12 to $36 per year.
80% of people supplement their income with some form of illegal free-market activity, obviously. And there are a certain amount of rations provided by the state in addition to straight wages. Otherwise, everyone would starve. The black market is tolerated to some extent, although it is technically illegal. It's impossible to determine how much income is generated from it, so we have no idea.
Here's more: https://www.nknews.org/2022/02/whats-in-it-for-the-working-man-why-north-koreans-show-up-for-low-wage-jobs/
Honestly, if I had to guess, I think the Haitians probably have it worse off economically. Congratulations NK! You're not worst in the world.
Get out of here ya fuckin' westoid /s
wtf is a WeStIoD dUfUs???
/s
I thought it was westeros
As a general rule I just don't trust what anyone says about North Korea, the whole thing is so propagandized from every angle you might as well be trying to figure out the average yearly income of the people on North Sentinel Island.
As a general rule I just don’t trust what anyone says about North Korea,
Ah, it's like arguing with a conservative and then hearing them say, "But who knows what's REALLY true?"
Sure bro. That's exactly what this famously propagandized topic is like.
Yes, it's exactly what the topic is like. There isn't a goddamn topic in existence that isn't 'famously propagandized' to someone.
It's not any better than the people exercising arbitrary skepticism about the Soviet Union or the PRC.
Okay buddy "anarchist" 👍
Okay buddy “anarchist” 👍
what
You've claimed to be an anarchist before.
Having trouble keeping your positions of convenience straight, huh?
While beefing with the idea that you should apply critical thought to claims made by both nations and media. Weird.
You’ve claimed to be an anarchist before.
Feel free to quote me, because I've never claimed to be an anarchist.
Having trouble keeping your positions of convenience straight, huh?
Maybe improve your reading comprehension before making accusations.
While beefing with the idea that you should apply critical thought to claims made by both nations and media. Weird.
As a general rule I just don’t trust what anyone says about North Korea,
Critical thought is arbitrary skepticism, I see.
You have, to me in a long exchange ;)
Bye Felisha. It's nice to have you confirm what you are though.
You have, to me in a long exchange ;)
No, I haven't. Go ahead. Search my comment history for 'anarchist' or any variation thereof. You won't find anything of the sort. Your lack of reading comprehension is not my problem.
Bye Felisha. It’s nice to have you confirm what you are though.
... not an anarchist? I've never denied that.
Can you show me some propaganda from the anti-North-Korea angle, and why it isn't true?
I think there is pro-North Korea propaganda, and there is the truth which is horrifying and some people claim is propaganda. I'm not sure that much of the anti-North Korea stuff is propaganda. I'm open to being shown that I am wrong about that, though.
One, I didn't say I believe "pro" North Korean propaganda. Just that there's so many lies I don't accept anything as true at face value.
Two, sure, as long as you show me how to prove a negative.
Which is actually possible, as it happens, but it's a lot more work than I'm interested in doing for a topic I literally just said is beset by propaganda on both sides. If you want to believe every criticism you hear about an objectively fucked up neo-monarchy is true, go for it.
I am saying that I don't believe that it is beset by propaganda on both sides. I believe it's beset by propaganda and lies on one side, and the other side is mostly just the truth.
You're not required to be interested in showing me why I'm wrong, of course. I was just curious.
Edit: Also... how in the world is "can you show me some propaganda from the anti-North-Korea angle" asking you to prove a negative? I'm the one claiming more or less a blanket negative, and politely asking for one counterexample if you feel like providing one.