64% of Americans say they wouldn’t support Trump: poll

That is embarrassingly low.

Sub 20% turn out for under 30's in TX is more embarrassing.
- "Voting laws in Texas are the most restrictive in the country. And voter turnout here is among the lowest, too. Maybe those facts are related."
I agree and…
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- BecauseImDoingMyBest
Well, but it's progress, right?

The guy attempted a coup. He should be on trial for his life right now... and still 30+% of Americans might support him.

it's 30% if you only read the title, at the end of the article it says:
Two other polls released this week show President Joe Biden and Trump competitive in a 2024 matchup, with Biden edging Trump by just a point in surveys from Marist and Quinnipiac.
unless you check how they conducted the poll, you don't know if either one is correct.
was it made in an university campus or at the exit of an NRA convention? those will give you wildly different results.
- The two claims are not in conflict. Election polls account for propensity to vote.
  The 36% will turn out to vote. It will be an uphill struggle for the Dems to get turnout high enough to defeat them.
  But the non-fash media will smugly proclaim him defeated anyway, helping to depress turnout enough that he wins. Again.
  Dangerous times.
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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/it-took-a-long-time-for-republicans-to-abandon-nixon/
When the House of Representatives voted in February 1974 to give the House Judiciary Committee subpoena power to investigate Nixon, it did not have the weight of public opinion behind it. According to a poll conducted by Gallup just days before the vote, only 38 percent of Americans were in favor of impeachment. And although a solid majority of Americans did eventually come to support impeachment, that moment didn’t arrive until quite late in the game.
- My friends, the MAGA cult stuck with Trump through racism, rape, hush money, and an attempted coup! They are not budging.
- I really like how well this puts things in perspective.

I guess that's a good thing, but that % should be way higher for someone that committed treason, among numerous other crimes (as well as being just a terrible person in general.)

- This is superb. Wonderful.
  I always knew Obama was a crook /s
- If they could read thwyd be very upset
- Complete and utter indoctrination that's been heavily aimed at that demographic for the last three decades, at least.
- There's a Mitt Romney 37% joke in there somewhere
  But yeah. It's a terrible truth
But he's hurting the right people!
- Down ballot Republicans!
treason is part of their heritage

Yeah, screw that. Don't trust polls, vote like your democracy and your life depend on it.

Other way to read this headline:

36% of Americans are equal parts moronic and clinically insane

74 million people voted for him in 2020...which is about 22% of the population of the US in 2020. Now 36% would support him. I realize the two numbers aren't directly comparable because only 67% of the people who could vote in 2020 did (and that was the highest it has been since 1980), but it's still not a great feeling.
Yep we need mental health funding. It's still a ridiculous % given how crappy our voting system is.
Fucking psychopaths
I feel like ~1 in 3 people being selfish assholes kind of checks out, though. It's a trend I really noticed during Covid.

So 36% of Americans are fucking dumb. Which is lower than I would've guessed.

Been the same for 6 years. Even damn poll - he’s always hovering around that number no matter how hard he’s fucking up.
A lot of people really believe that Trump, the man who puts his name on everything, is a selfless martyr. Not a wealthy grifter looking for new suckers willing to line his pockets with cash.
“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” - George Carlin

This is why we need ranked choice voting. The extremists would never win if we did.

We also wouldn’t be limited to choosing from exactly two choices if we want our vote to impact the election.
And the Democrats fight against it, because they are just as much part of the anti-democratic systems as the outright fascists.

the fact that there are about 100 million Americans who didn't say they wouldn't support Trump says a lot about the state of America

That's roughly the same ratio of Germans who were craving Nazism in 1930s Germany.

Now if only someone would do something about the gerrymandering

Wisconsin has entered the chat.

truly sad state of things. It's disinformation like none other. These people are completely oblivious to the facts of his criminal activities because the media they consume is only focused on cultural issues. It's literally all they see. They have no ability to look things up or fact check or think beyond whatever their pod casts are telling them.
It's such a bigger issue about this country as a whole. Education has failed so many. Those same people will vote for people that want to further erode education. They also have lots of kids and groom them to believe nonsense and deny education's importance. They attack teachers and doctors as being "woke" etc..
I hope we can come back from this, but the reality is it gets much worse from here.

Just a reminder that Republicans have won the popular vote once in the last 30 years, despite holding office for 12 of them.

What a majority of people want doesn't really matter in our system.

Should be higher. People should be aware of not only his crimes, but the buckets of allegations that are eerily similar.

At this point I think 36% of Americans are just trolling

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but there are absolutely that mouth breathers in the US. A few months ago I drove by a fucking Trump rally that is held weekly out in some rural parking lot in Washington State, sans Trump.
I have two neighbors with a let's go Brandon banner plaster to the front of their house. Another guy ran for city council on a platform to mandate all teachers to carry AR-15s at school. There's a lot of bananas bullshit out there still. These people believe that the United States is a failing state and the only way to save it is to kill liberals.

It should be 100%. This country BLOWS.

Instead of just complaining, do something to help make it better.
- Do you follow Mdotaut801@lemmy.world close enough to know he doesn't do both?
- You’re right, we should start kicking them out
There will always be people who refuse to answer the question.

Which still implies there are 36% of the American voters with a room temperature IQ - if measured in °C.

Somebody's gotta fill out the left half of the bell curve
- Well, yes, but 36%, that far down?

How many will turn out to vote though?

I can sit on my couch all day disapproving Trump, but if I don't cast a ballot then my opinion doesn't count for much.

Thats still dangerous, here in hungary, orban (trump's comrade) got about 33% of voters, yet he has 2/3 of delegates, which means total control, as we have a fokd up electoral system, and the opposition votes are stayed home. Meanwhile hungary have skyhigh, record high inflation, budget cuts, tax raises, the national currency value is abysmal, and the corruption is visible from the Moon...

We can only hope that these 64% will actually cast their vote when it counts.

Now if we can just make sure those 64% actually go vote that would be nice.

That's lower than it should be.

The poll of 1,165 adults was conducted Aug. 10-14 using a sample drawn from NORC’s probability-based AmeriSpeak Panel, which is designed to be representative of the U.S. population.

That shouldn't be at the end of the article after I had to click on a separate article. Poor journalistic practices.

If your point is that it's a small sample, you're in for a surprise - that's about all you need to estimate something within about 3% for the US population. If they're doing stratification and such it might be even more efficient than that.
- Sample size isn't the problem, claiming 0.0000035% applies to the other 99.9999965% is one however. All they need to do is add 'surveyed' after Americans and there would be no problem.

"36% of Americans think a violent, criminal, rapist dictator is acceptable."

Now be fair. Most of that 36% don't think at all.
Didnt you know? As long as he hurts the right people, its okay.
They think it is the best thing to ever have happened

I'd never vote for Trump, but i'm not really thrilled to vote for Biden either. I think both options suck.

Since there is no other option we'll end up with Biden again probably, just depends how much power hate and fear has nowadays.

I'm in Massachusetts so voting blue doesn't mean anything in the presidential race. With the divide between conservative and liberal getting worse and worse I wonder how the battleground states will swing this time around.

- I've voted straight Democrat for 10 years and I hate it. I don't believe the US is as polarized as its portrayed. But our options are either "Fascist" or "At least we're not those guys". I HOPE ranked choice voting becomes a thing in our lifetime.
- I assume the guy was referring to the electoral college. Massachusetts votes overwhelmingly blue, so after we collect all the electoral votes, the rest of us are just icing on that cake
- I’ve been voting blue for over twenty years and gestures to everything. Maybe voting isn’t enough.
Please tell me you're gonna vote anyways
- You don't just vote for a president. It's not presidential election day, it's voting day. The presidential vote is worthless but the rest isn't.
  The primaries are where most of the magic happens too.
  Most people ignore state and local positions but those greatly influence real world consequences. Federal law changes at a glacial pace due to all the bullshit. State stuff happens and takes effect usually within a couple of years here without a flip flop every 8 years. So yes, i'll be voting.
This 3 foot pile of dog shit in my living room is really disgusting and I don't like it one bit. On the other hand it was kinda disorganized in here before the dog shit and that was kinda sucky too.

As dismayingly low as that appears, I think more or less as good as it’s gonna get for a while. Between Fox, Trump’s enablers/sycophants, and the man himself, they’ve been able to pretty much enrapture the lowest third of the bell curve, and it’s gonna take a while for that to pass - if it ever does.

I wonder how many of that 64% will actually vote?

Roughly half...

If only we had actual "one person, one vote" elections in the U.S. Instead we have a skewed system where rural and southern areas have more weight than coastal urban areas due to how the electoral college is distributed. It has been common for the popular vote to be opposite to the determined vote for president.

I’ve noticed seemingly regardless of any instances, in multiple time periods and countries there’s always 30% of the public that supports the absolute worst people/policies.

They broke it out as 53% wouldn't support him if he's the GOP nominee, and another 11% wouldn't support him in November 2024.

...what's the difference between those two things?

Yeah, that confused me as well. I had to read that 3 times to figure out the distinction.
53% of Americans say they would definitely not support him if he’s the GOP nominee, and another 11% say they probably would not back him in November 2024.
"the GOP nominee" and "in November 2024" both refer to the same thing, but the phrasing change distracts from the definitely/probably thing.
- Boy 53% definitely would not support is so bad for him. RCP has the average of polls at 44.4% Biden, 44% Trump, but if 53% definitely would not support Trump then he can only improve by 3 points at most and he'd have to rely on a 3rd party to get the vast majority of the remaining 9% of the electorate? That is a big ask.
- I suppose in the event that Trump runs on a different platform? He is a bit soggy like that

Meaningless poll because the popular vote doesn't determine who becomes president. What matters is what percentage of the votes he gets in swing states.

Research the bullshit the oligarchy pulled to get ND to be made a state. They had to rewrite a shit load of laws and ended up with, I think, 10 new senators rather than the two they should have gotten for the Dakota territory.
That fuckery is still all the way up our ass to this day.

The answer to trump isn't a right winger responsible for mass incarceration of black people masquerading as progressive expanding the military industrial complex and not supporting workers unions.

Does not matter. Those remaining 36% are located in strategic places to make up for majority of the land mass - aka electoral college - to bring back Cheeto

I'll take it a step further and not support anyone in dc. There's not an honest person to be found in politics.

How many of them actually vote?

36% is yuge

192 millions US citizens have replied to this poll ???

National polls have little value since that isn't how President is Voted for. You need by State weighted by Electoral Votes.

Now subtract the people who claim they wouldn't support Trump from that number and you're back around 2016 numbers.