Is it too much to ask to demand an end to genocide?
Is it too much to ask to demand an end to genocide?
After a day and several replies from people. I've come to the conclusion that people here are ok with their party and leaders supporting genocide and they attack the questioners (instead of their party leaders) who criticize those who support genocide. Critical thinking is scarce here.
I'm shameful of humanity.
I too have a nuanced opinion about my voting options and a strong contempt for candidates who talk down to people who are right.
I'm still voting Harris because the only other option wants to see people like me hanged.
Wouldn't it be much better if no-one gets hanged or genocided? Wouldn't it be much better if democrats listen to young voters and stop supporting/funding genocide?
No fucking shit lol, but this isn't fantasy, now is not the time to be acting like the threat of not voting will change any policies, because we're still competing with half the country who wants an extra-genocidal maniac in
Wouldn’t it be much better if no-one gets hanged or genocided?
Wouldn't it be much better if we lived in a world where asking "Wouldn't it be much better" magically made complicated and unrealistic things happen. You didn't even bother to write a decent response, you just jumped straight into a whataboutism.
Let the guy who wants to do even more genocide into office! That'll show the genociders!
People really out here wondering how the dems could have such right wing policies while also never showing up during primaries or generals to indicate that moving left will pay anything back.
Fosters electoral climate where the people who at minimum are sympathetic to the genociders are the majority of likely voters.
"Why won't the dems go against the genociders‽ How dare a major political party adopt policy positions that upset a contingent of voters who have consistently demonstrated they can't be trusted to show up even when you do take the positions they want as evidenced by how they completely abandoned Bernie during the primaries BOTH GODDAMNED TIMES!!!!"
Now to speak as a Palestinian American, your supposed stand for your principals is actively putting my people in even more danger, so quit acting like you're their ally while you basically use them as a hostage to demand leaders stop letting them be held hostage.
If you think the answer to Dems being soft on Bibi is to let power back into the hands of the guy who handed him West Bank, East Jerusalem, and The Golan Heights on a silver platter, you're either a covert zionist, or an unwitting agent of them, either way, you need to sit down and shut the fuck up before you get the people you're talking over into even more danger.
Nu-uh! I said I'm anti Genocide so I can't do no wrong with my vote! /s
Sometimes I wish I could vote in the US Elections too. They are much more dramatic then ours.
Trust me, drama is worth a lot more when seen than it is when experienced.
I'll ask the same question i did on the other thread. Why, do disaffected voters have to ...
[show] up during primaries or generals to indicate that moving left will pay anything back.
Why not just poll them, or focus-group them, or use proxies like social media?
You seem to have no problem with the notion of leftist groups communicating preferred policies to Democrat strategists, but then seem to bizarrely assume that the only way to communicate a willingness to vote is to actually vote (for a party you don't agree with).
Tell me... We all go out and vote Democrat. They get into power. How do they now know it wasn't the support for genocide that won them the vote and go even further next time?
A take I've heard that maybe you'll understand is this:
Leftist organizing in the US isn't going to change the system 90 days before election day. There's simply too much momentum with the two party system we have.
So now the situation is, vote for whoever you'd rather have in charge of the country while you do your leftist organizing for the next several years. I know I'd rather do that work under a Harris presidency than a Trump one, for a million obvious reasons.
To do anything else is to simply not understand the reality of the situation.
Are you actually advocating that people shouldn't have to show up to the political system to get the system to go their way? Like, this is exactly what the primaries are for. Obama wasn't the preferred party candidate in 2008, it was Hilary, but there was so much primary support from Obama that he won over her. The same could have happened in 2016 or 2020, but young voters predominantly didn't come out to vote in the primaries.
If you think you should be able to just fill out a poll and turn out in November you fundamentally don't understand how the system works.
It's extremely interesting that democratic politicians have not only managed people (traditional voters) into believing that this genocide is normal but if you demand or say anything against this genocide then these normal people will attack you instead of asking their party leader "Why is it essential for their party to keep supporting genocide?"
Show up at the primaries for anti-genocode candidates, y'know, like fucking nobody did this year because half the most progressive members of the party got ousted by israeli funded pacs, who's messaging should have had zero impact on this supposed very dependable voting base that the democrats should really spend more effort listening to.
Wanna know how radicals took over the republican party? They established themselves as a major voting contingent, and then they hijacked all the primaries.
They would laugh in your face for suggesting that the way to push the Republicans towards their goals is to just not vote at all and then loudly declare it was due to insufficient trumpiness. Not even they are that stupid.
Is it too much to ask for a meme template that doesn't DIRECTLY contradict your message?
Or did you mean to imply that single-issue anti-gaza-slaughter voters are the equivalent of star wars criticts being properly annoyed by folk who like melodramatic space opera?
So no actual on topic criticisms?
Fair enough as long as you know why the cop is going to lose the election.
You say that like there's a world where the cop is not less-bad than the serial rapist.
Honestly, at this point you're either a pro-trump troll or a trump-like useful idiot. There is little i can say that might change your mind, especially if you're in the latter group and honestly think the ghosts of gaza will thank you for your performative morality when Trump gives the ok for Israel to go mask-off.
regardless of the genocide(that has been going on for the last 20 election cycles), if you are undecided about the right choice in the 2024 US election, you're ignorant, selfish or spoiled.
If you are democrat leader then you've the chance to win the votes of young, undecided voters by not funding or supporting genocide. You should know that if they vote for third parties in large numbers, then you are in great trouble. Those votes are valuable. Accept our demands and take the vote.
the democrats are already winning the votes of young and decided voters.
they're the party of personal Liberty, sustainable technology, international cooperation, climate change, minority representation, they're doing fine on popular progressive issues.
what are you saying is based on a false premise.
also, third party voting is fine. it is what voting actually is supposed to be, as it is in most countries.
you vote for the candidate that most aligns with your values.
- Democrats cut off funding.
- Israel keeps genociding because they don't need our help to shoot Palestinian kids in the head.
- Israel-Pac funds Republicans.
- Republicans win.
- Republicans accelerate the Genocide over there.
- Republicans revoke US Citizenship of Gaza protestors here, imprison them in detention camps with other "undesirables", just like Israel did with Gaza.
- Republicans declare war on Mexico and invade to set up a security zone, just like Israel did with Lebanon.
So in either not voting or voting for the other guy you achieve:
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even more and FASTER genocide
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genocide in ukraine
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genocide at home for everyone in lgbtq
Good job! You solved genocide by not voting Kamala!
So by voting democratic party. We'll get :-
- No genocide in Ukraine.
- No genocide at home for everyone.
- This is all great, i 100% agree with both points, but why should it be limited. Add third point.
- No genocide of Palestinians.
- But No, democratic party will keep supporting and funding genociders and keep inviting them to give speeches in US Congress.
- They are getting power to keep supporting genocide policy because of large number of people like you who do not question the authority and keep defending them.
So what is your solution??? I like shitting on the dems and pushing them to do the right thing as much as the next guy, but not voting for them is fucking insane.
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too spicy for .world
distantsounds, Not supporting genocide is a controversial take here.
It's not a controversial take you dipshit, the controversy is you thinking Trump is going to be better, because at the end of the day that's all it is. And you not responding to anyone giving you actual reasons and instead whining about everyone here being "pro-genocide" or whatever. You're pathetic, or a teenager who has no idea that America is barely a democracy.
Just vote for my guy, trust me bro