Hold liberals accountable or else you will be negotiating on who dies first with fascists

Fascists always vote = fascists get what they want = idiots saying "voting doesn't work"

- This comment is the perfect example of why fascism has a habit of winning. Laziness from the populace. One election in one office is all you're willing to commit. We voted one time in one election, why wasn't that enough? One office wasn't run by a fascist and that's got to do it for the entire country for the rest of all time I guess. One vote is all you're willing to commit. People who don't understand fight against fascism is a lifetime of work are the people who deserve fascism. Beating fascism is about building a strong Democratic populace. About building a system and a society that respects the Democratic process. It takes decades and it has to be renewed constantly. Also wouldn't be a bad idea to just go around hanging fascist every 30 or 50 years or so either, that's also an option.
- why didn't it work? Trump literally isn't in office today. Unless we're talking about jan 6th, but that's an institutional problem, not a fascism problem.
pretty sure it;'s not the voting.
pretty sure it's everything OTHER than the voting that gets them what they want. and the liberals refusing to let anyone stop them.
you'll notice that even when a fascist loses an election, like in 2000, they still get their guy in office sometimes.

wait, why are we holding liberals responsible? Shouldn't we be holding the uh, fascists responsible? They're the ones causing all the problems LMAO

Cut a Liberal and a Fascist bleeds.
- really? Seems to me like if you cut a liberal a fascist would rise, but ok.
wait, why are we holding liberals responsible?
You mean, apart from the fact that liberals cannot protect the status quo without violent fascists and therefore protects and enables fascism?
Apart from that?
- You mean, apart from the fact that liberals cannot protect the status quo without violent fascists and therefore protects and enables fascism?
  how the fuck do you expect liberals to protect the status quo against violence? With more violence? That seems counter intuitive, this is literally an impossible proposal here.

Voting is necessary, but not sufficient.

Vote Green.
- The Greens only exist to aid the Republicans by pulling votes away from Democrats.
- glhf with that national turnout rate that historically follows the green party in literally ever nation in the world ever (except for locally)
- List-based voting first, otherwise you're fighting voting math.
I would argue on necessary, but it's probably less work to just do it.
voting without a coherent strategy, and voting for the fucking dems in a national race though; that's clown shit.
- Ah, it's Mr. I didn't pay attention in Civics class.
- Whats the moral vote for?
  I'll wait while you type an exceedingly long reply that dodges the question completely.

Defeatist bullshit

Yeah, but simply not voting isn’t a solution. It’s a self-congratulatory exercise in washing your hands of responsibility. We all see this is the problem. It’s been the problem our entire lives. It’s clear as day for anyone with half a brain. So…what then?

Limitations of action from either side are entirely due to a lack of a strong majority in Congress. Without it, no matter the goals, the capabilities are limited. There are times I do really appreciate some of the checks congress has over the executive.

this meme plays out like the government is controlled by one party at a time

"Oh, so you'd rather the fascist win?" I say, as I'm being dragged from the voting booth into the gas chamber.

Pretty sure the "hold liberals accountable " falls under the "do nothing about fascists" banner

This might have been a pattern before but the new dem party seems to be hitting harder and faster than in the past. Plus it's hard to make change when ur not willing to do shady shit and ignore the essence of democracy and constitution

Schrodinger's vote: your vote only matters if you don't vote.

Ummm akshurally it's called Fascism Lite™ and it's totally different then Fascism, vote harder or you're a Russian bot 🤓

There are two choices in the United States 2024 election. No third party stands a ghost of a chance of winning. No, not even if the 30,000 people you can reach on Lemmy all vote for Timothy Greenparty.
A Trump victory in 2024 would not only be just as bad if not worse for the citizens of Gaza than Harris would, but also pose an existential threat to a large number of vulnerable Americans (trans people, immigrants, women seeking abortions).
Given the margins of victory in 2016 and 2020, Kamala might not win if leftists don't vote for her.
Snoozing fascism for four years is better than inviting it through the door now, and buys us time to build our defenses for when it comes back.

I'd like to focus my counterargument. Which of these statements do you disagree with?

Unfortunately, you can't vote away fascism. I think things might get a little rough soon regardless of which party wins.
- It sounds like you disagree with statement 4. Is that right?

Aren't we already having that negotiation right now about the Palestinians?