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Microsoft Says Bye-Bye DEI, Joins Growing List Of Corporations Dismantling Diversity Teams

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In a surprising yet increasingly common move, Microsoft has quietly dismantled its team dedicated to diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI). The decision, communicated via email to the affected employees on July 1, cited “changing business needs” as the reason for the layoffs. While the exact number of employees impacted remains unclear, the team’s lead didn’t … Continued
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Microsoft Says Bye-Bye DEI, Joins Growing List Of Corporations Dismantling Diversity Teams

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Everything a corporation does that's not outright trying to fuck you out of your time or money is 100% a scam they're trying to pull to convince you they care.
I really wish people would stop falling for it, because, well, there's never going to be real progress made unless there's the force of law behind things like DEI.
- I mean the entire purpose of a dei group in a company is to make sure that the company isn't doing things that will get them fucking sued into the ground, like choosing to only hire young white males for instance.
  If they want to disband this group fine, just that's going to be exhibit A in all of the lawsuits.
  
  You mean the lawsuits that will be tossed out by the totally not corrupt upstanding officials at the "Supreme" Court?
  
  An assessment test I did for a job recently was essentially just an SAT and IQ test. None of it had to do with the position but it was a quick way for them to say "no foreigners."
- If they brag about DEI on marketing pages... That's all the initiative is for. Virtue signalling for sales.
  
  Y'all need to just chill out and have a Pepsi
- I dunno. I'm a believer that there is real benefit to diverse teams and there is some evidence in support of this. Seems like a diverse team could really help a company figure out how to keep fucking the money out of you harder.
  
  Doing good work takes time to make money, execs need those quarterly bonuses right now. Much easier to do a bunch of layoffs and get that line up now.
  
  I dunno. I’m a believer that there is real benefit to diverse teams and there is some evidence in support of this.
  You're 100% right! But good luck convincing the bean counters.
- The company I work for is tireless about DEI and at least the CEO is personally a big believer. I think the instant he goes, though, the entire thing goes. We have hundreds of people working on it. And they have produced more backlash against DEI than real progress on it. So yeah, there are true believers out there, but the system as a whole doesn’t give a fuck, never did, and there’s never going to come a time when we all turn some corner and want more, more, more DEI staff at work. In my humble opinion the movement is dead already and will be remembered as an artifact of the last decade or so. The actual problem itself will continue to improve, generationally, just as it has done for a hundred years.
  
  That generational improvement is not the natural order of the universe. It's the result of individuals putting themselves in harms way to push for change. It's hard-fought legislation moving the cause forward. It's constitutional amendments. It's legal cases won against the odds. It's corporations jumping on the bandwagon not wanting to be seen to oppose respectable society.
  But those who have always fought against the process are racking up wins. That generational change you've observed that looked inevitable is under severe threat. You cannot count on it happening by itself.
- Well yeah. The point of a corp is to make a profit. By any means necessary. They are even legally compelled to do so. They are not here to serve us. They are here to take your money. Sometimes even backing you into a corner to force you to do it.
  I just got done watching Fallout and I fully believe our corporations would do the same as the ones in the series given the chance.
  Edit: after some research and the person below me informing me, I was mistaken about the legal requirement.
  
  Minor niggle: they're legally compelled to work in the best interests of the shareholders which is usually but not always seeking profit at all costs.
  But, in general, I don't disagree, I merely was mentioning that people keep getting suckered by pretty words and meaningless promises of change and then not bothering to make it have actual legal requirements behind it.
  The mistake is looking at a CEO going Trust Me Bro, and trusting them. See: frog and scorpion story.
  
  They are not legally compelled to do so. That's a nonsense myth, even for publicly traded companies.
companies experimented with appearing more "socially conscious", waited for a bit, saw it didn't generate any extra revenue for them, then axed it to appear more profitable.
capital has gotten really dumb, and if you think any one of these really gave a shit about diversity, you might be dumber.
- I think there's that and there's also the growing cancel culture of the right. They're boycotting anything and everything that even smells of equity/diversity. Repugnicans have proved that they can affect businesses and will do so with their army of right wing media viewers so it makes sense that corporations would cater to them.
  The left has their grassroots movements, but there is no major media outlet that convinces others to join in on the boycotts. They might report it's happening, but they don't go all Sean Hannity with some version of "they're taking your job prospects and giving it to some undeserving lazy _____ person because they're the real racists and they hate you!"
  
  This is kind of the thing.
  Having DEI committees is now one of several symbols of the political ideologies of a company and its "senior leadership".
  For both sides, I think a lot of people (or at least those that have the privilege of choosing where they work) do not want to work for a company that directly conflicts with their political leanings.
  A far left worker who sees their employer axing their DEI programs could see that as a symbol that the company is swinging hard to the right, and may adapt more conservative practices that may effect them directly. See: Hobby Lobby trying to block their health insurance from covering birth control.
  Likewise, a far right worker who sees their employer adopting a leftist program like DEI might start to get concerned that their employer may also start swinging more to the left and adopt progressive practices that might impact them directly. Like paying them a living wage, providing all the PPE they could ever need, or hiring a queer person.
  
  It doesn’t help when things are constructed around DEI as the main design principle rather than being actually inclusive. It seeped into nerd culture and struck out in a massive way.
  Look at The Acolyte. It’s genuine shit story, the writing was bad, the actors were one-dimensional, and it took the lore in a direction that made no sense. Star Wars stories have been bad to the same degree, but now people get to grab ahold of DEI and blame it for everything else wrong with the show.
Almost as if it was a bullshit endeavor all along, just corporate marketing. Those departments are never given the funding or staff required to enact functional change within organizations. Unionize, folks!
- Their main function was to avoid lawsuits, like the rest of HR. I feel like these companies forgot that they were all sued because they discriminated against women and non-white applicants and employees. This is just going to make it easier to prove discrimination in court.
  
  This is a reflection of them anticipating that discrimination lawsuits will no longer be a thing under a Project 2025 Trump dictatorship.
- Rather than thinking of it as a cynical farce that was a total lie, can we think of it as perhaps a genuine impulse which was not strong enough to override other business considerations, and which most companies fumbled, and which no company was willing to make material sacrifices for when it came right down to it. I genuinely think a lot of people would like to see true equity at work, but they have no idea how to bring it about, they are too outmatched by other cultural forces, and ultimately they can’t make a convincing business justification for it.
  I call it a well-intentioned but doomed escapade. Not a big fat lie.
  
  I understand your premise but work experience has taught me that corporations don't give a fuck about their people, equity, and the like. It is all image control. It is all about money and nothing more, those "other business considerations" will always take precedence unless they are regulated to do so.
DEI is like Agile. There’s a right way and a wrong way to do it.
The wrong way is profitable for consultants and easy for the company, so that is what gets implemented in most cases.
The right way requires actual buy-in from C-staff down and needs constant work and adjustment to the specific company. There is no one size fits all solution. More work, less money. Very few companies do this.
This is part of Leonard Leo's plan to re-mccarthy-ize US society and purge anyone left of fascist, same way he orchestrated the right wing take over of our courts.
- For any who missed it, Leonard Leo helped fund the bud light boycott
Dismantle Microsoft.
- We should nationalize them and open source all their proprietary code.
  
  open source all their proprietary code.
  We did it once with Win2k...good times.
- Dismantle, destroy, whatever. Seconded.
Companies are stopping because the orange clown supreme court ruled that racists, sexists and bigots could sue companies for not allowing them to hate.
Honestly I haven't heard any good news about Microsoft in like 10 years. They just keep making awful decisions.
- Microsoft is usually a very big player when it comes enabling disabled people to do things they normally couldnt (e. g hands free keyboards, alternative game controllers.) VS Code is also one of the most popular code editors on the market.
- It’s like 25 for me. How to half-ass your way atop other’s work to monopolize a new economy.
  
  Goes back way further, almost all the way to the beginning. Seattle Computer Products' QDOS was bought and rebranded as MS-DOS. They never had any original ideas of their own. Always a day late and a dollar short, and when they finally get around to it, it's with someone else's shit they acquired or ripped off.
In the future there will probably white people suing for racism based on the existence of dei and the courts are now so racist those lawsuits will be allowed because the same territories that fought for slave ownership during rhe civil war have political leverage via republicans
Dei is now a legal liability instead of protecting against lawsuits. Many companies that are laying off people cant justify keeping dei in that environment when they are laying off people that do work that is closely aligned with the business. Laying off a senior programmer but keeping dei seems a bit unfair and since dei could be a liability why keep it?
There was also pressure to hire more black people in business back in covid times and post-covid and companies did that, with data showing it probably impacted other races getting hired. It's risky for them to keep doing that and likely expensive. Dei was also keeping more data allowing them to get sued to more easily either way. Many employees complained about dei and that it was all for show even when the expense was there.
Its also became synonymous with woke and republicans hate the term. Conpanies only do what the prevailing political winds say so they can fit in with legal compliance enough to keep profiting. They don't care and are mostly an illusion of a logo with greedy people worshipping money behind the veneer.
- I think you're right, it's become both tainted and a liability.
- In the fututre there will probably white people suing for racism based on the existence of dei and the courts are now so racist those lawsuits will be allowed. . .
  "No future" about it It's been happening for a long time
  But these are just two recent examples. They've always ultimately served the same purpose - to defeat legislation or political effort to support minorities.
  
  Youre right. And... Do you think DEI becoming a buzzword in the Republican culture war makes it more or less likely there will be more of those lawsuits?
  But yes, at the end of the day, whatever the reason it just means more racism, because bias is often hard to prove and you often can't prove that bias accounts for a lack of advancement, you just feel it, and bias can make getting ahead so much harder in so many ways.
  I think Republicans especially hated DEI because it could include trans and LGBT people. The existence of trans people means their made up god is fake, because their fantasy book says Adam and Eve, not Adam Eve and They/Them. If trans people are real, then the magical fantasy book is a lie, and then they've been lied to and fooled and their magic jebus bread didnt really have magical powers and they can't possibly admit to that, so here we are.
This is the first time I hear about DEI. I see and understand the acronym as something I should search on a popular search engine that is not the one that starts with a g. As such, I've been working for 30 years and I'm perplexed by something I have no clue about which might possibly apply to me as a LGBTQA minority person. But first things first, let's all go figure out what this acronym means.
- Here, have a look at my search results:
  https://www.perplexity.ai/search/what-is-dei-flvLFV4DTHm_I9nR.u73_A
Kinda glad, as a gamer I'm tired of DEI telling me I can't have a steak because a baby can't chew it.
I'm all for more diversity and inclusion, but there's a right way and a wrong way to do it, how DEI was being used in the gaming industry was definitely the wrong way.
- What steaks are you being denied? I don't understand.
  
  You know what he wants. An all white video game
  
  Remasters that remove characters or stages because they're "problematic content", redesigns of familiar characters that remove their sex appeal because feminity in and of itself is somehow misogynistic (seriously I'm a lady just wants to play a beautiful woman in my escapist fantasies, ya know cause it's MY fantasy and we all wanna be more attractive?), risque humor no longer being allowed, localizations that remove or change dialogue seen as sexist (Even if it's villain dialogue, or done to show that a specific character has flaws that include outdated views), the terms "Male and Female" are now "Body Type A" and "Body Type B" (Look I'm trans, non-binary identity is more common, I get it... but... this feels more patronizing than inclusive...)
  Lots of shit like that.... and as a gamer it is quite frankly embarrassing. Games are a form of art, and we should not apologize for art.
  Btw, I know the Body Type A/B thing sounds pedantic, but it really just feels like trying too hard yet not hard enough.. If it's really too offensive to just have a drop down menu that says "MALE or FEMALE" in current year, just have a character creator that lets me pick masculine/feminine/androgynous traits from menus and ask for my pronouns at the end. That'd be a much better solution (and was fucking awesome when Cyberpunk 2077 did it)
  A lot of games are very lazy and have two body types, an overly masculine buff guy (A) and a curvaceous lady (B), then ask if you want to be referred to as "He, She, or They", while I understand They (Non-Binary individuals exist), can someone tell me who the fuck outside of a Right Wing troll trying (and failing) to be funny is going to pick the buff guy + the "she/her" pronouns?
  It's just one of those situations where I just wanna say "Your attempt at inclusion is so poor, I'd rather you just call me a slur at this point."
- What you're complaining about sounds like the symptom of the lack of a DEI team where companies just apply diversity bandaids instead of hiring professionals.
  
  Honestly these "Diversity Bandaids" seem to be more common when DEI is applied than not, it really feels more like a pro-censorship initiative more than actually trying to elevate women and minorities in the workplace.
- That's not really the fault of DEI, although I share your feelings on the matter. I feel like corporate media has just become a smooth, grey blob of whatever is determined to appeal to the widest audience of people.
  
  Try to appeal to everyone and you'll end up pleasing no one....
Anything that corporations do, that isn’t directly oriented toward revenue generation, is window dressing, marketing, and bullshit. They don’t actually care about addressing social ailments like inequity, they don’t care about environmental destruction. While individuals within these organizations may believe in these causes, the machine itself is just lying when they parade these initiatives out. They don’t care about their workforce (beyond maintaining functionality), and they certainly don’t care about their society. If these corporations were people, they’d be considered sociopaths, with ZERO exceptions.
- I used to be that cynical. But I’ve seen some good things in large orgs. I’m slightly less cynical now.
  
  Just to clarify what I said: I know that there are good people working in these corporations, and I know that good sometimes happens. What I am saying is that the organization itself doesn’t care the way they are often given credit for by their own marketing, media coverage, and public perception. The incentives that are foundational to these organizations are antithetical to achieving anything beyond revenue that is either widespread or long-term in nature. I am all in favor of holding corporations accountable, and pressuring them to be better members of our society, but people should never fool themselves into thinking that meaningful, sustainable change on social or environmental issues will ever result from actions taken by corporations. Those kinds of changes can only come from governments that are open and accountable to their people, and have the confidence to check the actions of private industry.
No woke, gets broke.

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