No, you just don't understand. He works in mysterious ways.
Bro, I got in an argument with a guy on Lemmy here - he said that my sexual harassment and assault enabled by my parents was God testing me to see if I could handle it.
If thats what his God does to test people - his God is the bad guy of the story.
it aaaalll happens for a reason!! this is GOD'S plan!!
God, planning for the 100 millionth chronological rape event to occur:
Thoughts and prayers...
With one hand in his pants because he enjoys the show
"Mysterious ways" is a weird name for a kid but okay.
God had those kids raped to teach us a lesson! Probably. Not sure what the lesson was supposed to be, but I bet it was really important.
I’m sure we’ll figure it out eventually and he will stop.
I wish he’d give us a hint, though.
The question of suffering is the one question that all of theological history has yet to have a satisfying answer for. The book of Hiob itself concludes this question with faith being something you decide to have despite suffering, not because there is any good reason for it.
I am not saying it is the only hole to poke at theism, but it is THE hole to poke at.
If suffering is part of gods plan and requires deformed children to be born and immediately die, then someone like Stalin, Mao and Hitler were possibly more helpful in furthering gods plan than any good Christian believer ever will be. They certainly had a larger impact on society, laws, culture, etc. Than mother Theresa.
This should lead to the conclusion that believers should embrace evil doers (whom they're supposed to forgive anyway) even more than those that do good, as they are still pushing gods plan.
So all their percieved enemies and lost sheep are really agents of their very own God doing his bidding more successfully than they ever will.
Not on the scale of 3 others you mentioned, but Teresa was all about suffering. You don't even have to read Hitchens (although I highly recommend it). Just open her Wiki for a quick summary of how much of a piece of shit human being she was.
Which, again, makes her probably a great agent of god in his never ending campaign to further his plan ™ by throwing shitty, evil people at humanity.
Though, that argument implies that the only plan god has is death for deformed children. If everything is or could be part of god's plan, then you could be as useful as Hitler or everyone else by simply being you and doing nothing.
The more fundamental question to answer is "how would you completely stop suffering?", which I find impossible without taking away everyone's free will.
What if eradicating suffering means that everyone has to go through equal amount of pain and hardship? Would that stop everyone from complaining or would it make everyone complain? What if preventing a greater suffering requires a lesser, necessary suffering? Would that stop people from complaining about it? What if everyone has to take the consequence of one man's fault in order not to make him suffer?
I think the only way suffering would truly stop is if everyone shared the same goal and had no ability for independent thought.
The more fundamental question to answer is “how would you completely stop suffering?”, which I find impossible without taking away everyone’s free will.
Free will can't exist in a world of an omnipotent and omniscient god, so that is not a good excuse because Christians by default can't have a free will.
It's not a philosophical argument around or about suffering in general. The problem of Theodicy is directly in relation to having an omnipotent and entirely good god while also having incredibly amounts of suffering in the world, which are pretty much mutually exclusive. If god is all good and all powerful, how can suffering be a thing, basically.
That's the theological question around suffering.
The free will argument enters into it somewhat, but doesn't resolve or answer suffering caused by things entirely unrelated to actions freely chosen by people, hence the "deformed child dying" example.
But it was his plan!
If only believers could understand satire!
oh damn 😂
Damn, I miss Tracie being on The Atheist Experience. But then again, they also pushed out Dillahunty
Matt was getting high on his own supply. He's gotten away from good discussions/arguments to just shouting and virtue signaling on the calls.
I guess he's had to, because the people donating love this low effort "own the Christian" crap.
I still enjoy Matt on actual debate shows he's one of the best if not best Atheist debaters.
He’s gotten away from good discussions/arguments to just shouting and virtue signaling on the calls.
Not even remotely true. Don't mean to sound rude, but you need to look up what virtue signaling means. The reason why he's like that sometimes is because some people will not answer a simple question or they'll be dishonest or they'll call in to preach instead of having a conversation. IDK if you watched a lot of it, but it gets annoying whenever a caller wants to waste time and Matt just doesn't put up with it, as he shouldn't. Many of the other hosts are too nice and that can get pretty annoying after a while.
this low effort “own the Christian” crap.
Matt never did anything like that. I'm fully convinced now you only seen clips of the show and never actually paid any real attention to the show. If you did, you would know Matt just wants to have a discussion and he only gets aggressive when the caller doesn't want to listen for a second. Stop bullshitting and actually watch and pay attention to an entire episode of the Atheist Experience with Matt on. If you think what Matt did on the atheist experience is low effort, I would love to tune into your podcast. It's completely fine to not like it, but calling it "low effort" is extremely ridiculous. You wouldn't stand a chance against any of these callers.
One of my favorite ACA hosts back in the day. She also appeared on God Awful Movies once or twice. Really smart and cool person.
But their good will still take credit for it if you do something and prevent it.
"Thank jeebus god sent you to save that child."
Tracy Harris is a legend
