When people think a bidet is stupid, I always ask: If you had poop on your arm, would you clean it with water or just wipe it with a dry towel and call it a day?
This question shows that people can have differing standards of cleanliness and it's OK. Because the answer is "would you spray your arm with water only or would you use soap?" Bidets don't use soap, so with either bidet or paper you can still feel dirty until a shower, it's just what level of dirty you're willing to accept.
Bidets don’t use soap? Well, I use soap on every use, what kind of bidet instructions do you follow up? Sponge and hands, a bidet is like a mini shower in your groins without a full body implication, is just a washbasin at a convenient height… don’t you wash your hands and your face in the morning with soap in the washbasin?
EDIT: Probably we imply different things for “bidet”, I got South European one in mind…
Hey, fellow Spuds fan. I have a similar one but it's: "If you smeared peanut butter on the outside of a watermelon but wiped it off with dry toilet paper, wouldn't you expect it to still smell like peanut butter?
Certainly the one you've sprayed after wiping would smell less like peanut butter though? The first thing we do when cleaning anything seriously is get the wiper/scrubber/sponge/paper towel wet, with either water or cleaning solutions.
The moral of the story is y'all need to wash your asses however it gets done.
I mean if your argument is that things will be cleaner if you wash them twice (once with paper and once with water), compared to washing it once, then the answer is obviously yes washing twice will make things cleaner than washing them once.
I do agree that alternating between scrubbing (paper) and rinsing (bidet) will probably get you cleaner - but based on the comments I see, that's not what bidet users are actually doing.
But yes, folks need to wash their asses better.
And their hands too, way too many people leave public washroom without washing their hands. Wtf.
No, that's not my argument. It's that the first thing we do when we are about to wipe down a counter (or anything else) with a rag is to get the rag wet. It's that none of us trust a dry wiping/cleaning tool to be effective, it's just going to smear the funk around.
You haven't understood my pretty clear language and then are calling my metaphor dumb? Wow.
You don't wipe with no cloth and just water alone? No shit, are you going for a promotion from Captain Obvious to Major Lee Obvious?
Your "no, the first thing you do is get the rag" is about the dumbest response I can imagine and inaccurate since the situation was framed as "wipe with a rag" implying a situation where one already has the rag. You might as well have wrote "the first thing you do is put on appropriate non-skid footwear and remove any rings."
You're not pedantic, you're pretending to score points by calling me out for omitting the incredibly obvious parts that really didn't need to be said at all.
Was because you were downplaying the importance of the rag. The rag is more important than the water is. If you're cleaning a mess, and your choice is between water and rag, you choose the rag.
How commonly do bidet users scrub with both TP and water in a single sitting? The internet and this comment section suggests it's pretty rare.
People are choosing between bidet (water) and tp (rag), and in your analogy, you're saying the sensible choice is to wash something with only water and no rag. Your analogy only holds water (lol) if you don't actually think about it.
No, my point has always been that you wouldn't try to clean anything with a dry rag, so bidets make more sense than toilet paper. My example was putting peanut butter on watermelon and wiping it with toilet paper, you'd still expect it to smell like peanut butter, would you not? IYou took it to have some meaning I never intended.
I had a bidet for a while and would use it, drip for a bit, then dry off and "finish" with a round toilet paper. It's a pretty easy way to prevent the possibility of bidet water dripping down your leg and just felt...cleaner? This is a shitty conversation anyway ;) Anyway, this seems like we just misunderstood each other. I apologize for my share of the barbs. Take care.
You still have to wipe though, right? Using just water to clean it off your arm would still leave a stain. You have to make contact to rub away what remains somehow.
I've used a few bidets and while it was fun and they did an ok job there was no soap involved and I still had to wipe. I don't hate them, they make some sense, but a bidet is not magic.
it's water. what do you think is "using it well"? the only way to properly sanitize an asshole is drench it in water and use a little soap. Change your diet several days beforehand if you want to have fun down there.
Unironically, positioning, pressure, and time. It took me a while to be fine with the pressure needed to actually clean anything, let alone letting it stay on long enough to thoroughly clean. Plus you gotta angle yourself so everything gets clean.
Saying “it’s water” proves you don’t know enough, which explains why you’ve had a bad experience. No shame in that, like I said it took me a while. Stick with it, it’s worth it.
nope no bad experiences over here. i'm familiar with the whole water versus butt situation. i think a bidet is fine but i don't want to walk out of the restroom with a wet butt, unless it's Wet Day. so regardless of bidet or no, i would prefer some sort of towel or soft paper.
That’s why you dry after lol. And again, you simplifying it so much is telling on yourself. That’s no problem but know that if you stick with it you may end up having a better experience.
I use one and have IBS with issues as you describe. The bidet is miles better, and previous to that I had to use wet wipes because TP wasn't even as effective. You're using it incorrectly if you think it's less effective than paper.
I will say, the first bidet was cheap and bad. It didn't clean effectively and didn't have water pressure options, which I think are required for a good experience.
Honestly I'd say wiping my arm with a bunch of paper towels is about the same as spraying it down with a garden hose. I feel like people who say otherwise have never actually tried to rinse something off their body with just water pressure and no scrubbing.
I still plan to get a bidet because it's less irritating as you said.
So? Just because you don't have skid marks doesn't mean you don't have a dirty, stinky ass.
Also has nothing to do with your claim. The idea that washing your ass after a shit is somehow worse than not washing it is literally one of the dumbest takes I've ever seen.
This is the exact fucking harassment I get every fuckdamn time the bidet cultists catch wind, and I am so fuckdamn tired of it.
Listen, wetass, if you enjoy spraying fecal mist all over your bathroom while simultaneously drenching every square inch of your ass in bacterial medium that's on you. I know how to wipe and my partners have never had an issue going down town for dinner and NONE of them were ever shy about informing me on my odor.
You just want license to make your anal fetish public and its disgusting.
Every time I lay out my talking points about moisture contact and contaminated spray you fucknuggets just spam my inbox with insults so I have zero interest in arguing with any of you wetasses.
Well then don't comment at all. Like I said I am happy to hear your arguments but now you just made me frustrated...
I'm pretty sure the reason you're getting spammed with insults is that you have a very abrasive commenting style. At least that's my opinion based on the last two I've read :D