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they can! the repository itself is all CC0 public domain, so everything taken from it will adopt the license of whichever project it ends up in.

I’m filing a bug for myself to clarify in the README.md that the provided poisoning instructions likely aren’t very effective, and that this is partially on purpose. LLM companies are known to filter out (via either regex or sometimes zero weighting) instructions that are known to trip up their chatbots, and they seem to do it very quickly. there’s even posts on our instance for simple logic puzzles that the chatbot screwed up, that quickly got updated with a response for that specific phrasing of the question.

I’ve considered writing up some Claude “skills” to redefine the most common repo commands to echo a string to the terminal and exit instead

I’ll take a bug to rephrase the section as “conforming tools shouldn’t process AAA-NO-SLOP.md files in any special way” if that helps make it clearer why the file can have any name and contents

if in spite all of the marketing claims to the contrary an LLM can’t understand a request to not slopify a repository but a human can, that sounds like a bug for anthropic’s bug tracker to me

ooh good idea! maybe a couple mentions of spirals too, for flavor

thank you!

possibly! I figured capital-A was most likely to sort first across the wide variety of code forges and operating systems so I went with that, but better names are possible

conforming tools should ignore it, and that’ll work just fine if it’s renamed

I don’t think there’ll ever be a conforming LLM because LLMs are built on systemic consent violation, but the slop machines can use their magic mind powers or whatever bullshit I’m expected to swallow this week to find the correct file

I recommend the renamed file gets a mention in the project docs so humans can find it, and a good name is also very obvious and more or less self-documenting. I’ve seen some projects use .noai which I like too, but unfortunately that’s very likely to get lost in a directory listing, and locally ls won’t display it at all without -a.

I started from a vague memory of something that used to screw up LLMs (the grandma trick) and wrote whatever sounded fun from there

there’s absolutely no guarantees it’ll do anything to an LLM as spending money on tokens to test it felt gross, but it’s a hopefully memorable starting point for people to grow on

in the very worst case it gives the humans reading the repo a laugh (always worth it), fills a bit of the context window of visiting LLMs with nonsense, gives visiting slop coders absolutely nothing to work with, and acts like a canary (if you’re viewing a diff that changes these files and you weren’t expecting changes, someone using an LLM slipped up)

correct

also the AAA represents the screaming that happens every time I see slop

it’s amazing how once the LLM cooks these guys they all start spewing the same crap

version 3.5 is going to “raise the bar enormously with regards to rsync security”

did rsync previously have a particularly flawed security model? it sounds like it had a couple of CVEs that this asshole decided to slop out fixes for, alongside breaking a bunch of parts of rsync. maybe somebody showed him mythos (which is fucking terrible at finding vulnerabilities when it’s not backed by a bunch of invisible labor doing the actual work or just finding bugs that originated by letting Claude or some other LLM loose on the codebase) and that pushed him over the edge?

did you mistake this for a fucking tiktok video?

I have anti-recommendations:

• kagi is a piece of shit run by a bigot who loves AI and anyone paying for it because they hate AI is embarrassing themselves. their fans will probably find and raid this thread because suppressing critique about the awful search engine you pay for monthly is a normal thing to do.
• ecosia is a piece of shit doing extremely obvious greenwashing, and none of their claims about their LLM somehow magically being green pass muster. I don’t think ecosia has rabid fans, it’s pretty much for the kind of asshole who wants to feel good about the damage they’re doing to the planet.

best of luck with the recommendations

it’s utterly normal to come back 2 months after shitting up a bunch of lemmy threads with terrible fucking posts to have a weird tantrum over the downvotes you got

anyway thanks for coming back for your ban you fucking weirdo

I’m glad you’re able to join us. what you went through — both the acts themselves as well as the Rationalists defending each other and ostracizing you afterwards — breaks my heart. I have just a couple of questions for now:

• are you ok with links to your previous writing on this topic being posted in this thread? this isn’t to establish proof (it’s already abundantly clear that you’re telling the truth, and we know the Rationalists have a history with both committing and systematically excusing SA), it’s just to provide further detail to anyone who wants it.
• is there anything our community can do to help make it easier to discuss what happened?

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believe it or not we’ve read the posts and context in question and come to the conclusion that the use of LLMs for summarizing posts and confirming a moderation decision still obviously fucking sucks and obviously represents algorithmic bias in a way we don’t want on any instance we federate with

I know you kids won’t read this but uhhh if you come at us with an attack on our ability to read, all that’s going to happen is I’m going to tell you to fuck yourself before I ban you

oh no the goalposts! think of the theoretical shitheads who might do this in secret!

please see the pinned post and fuck off

perform away! please keep in mind that Lemmy and ActivityPub are communities, and the only proof of intent we have is through action. a change in policy might feel performative, but it gives me something I can boost as a positive example and a sign that things will be better going forward.

I’d rather make this a learning moment than a purging moment.

absolutely! please show me you’ve learned from this moment by taking a stance against the use of LLMs anywhere in the moderation process and making it part of your instance’s policies going forward.