@Kualdir Yep... That's why I say compromises... With the demise / fusion of Eurocard there are no more alternatives left.

@igiIq Looks to me like you have to decide which you find more important:
Security / Privacy / decentralisation (Matrix) or
ease-of-use, probably a larger pool of users and nicer looks (Revolt)

@igiIq Matrix would be another option. Fully encrypted too...

@ShadyQuark By the way... Here in NL the banks switched their Maestro cards over to Visa debit cards which enable you to easily make online purchases and allow me to kick out PayPal.

Visa is still US, though... sigh... compromises...

And you don't get the purchase protection you get with PP or a "real" creditcard.

@ShadyQuark Stay away from bunq... I say that as a former customer. There was a huge outcry last year in the Netherlands about them.

They flat out refused to help or limit the damage for customers that were victims of fraud.

And that while being the most expensive bank around regarding fees.

@tatann @hamburgkai What are you referring to? The only thing that this says is that they were not privacy focused from the get-go in 2013 (12 years ago!).

Also, please don't use Wikipedia as single point of truth. I could go in there anonymously and write that Qwant is the worlds best search engine for privacy and nothing else compares or that it is the worst thing since the Stasi. Both statements are untrue. Always cross reference and do some further research.

@Extrawurst @Kualdir For Navigation alone, I find Magic Earth (which uses OSM] to be a perfectly fine replacement, that even offers some features Gmaps hasn't. Like being able to download whole countries for offline navigation, Driver Assistance etc.

For the reviews... That's more difficult. https://lib.reviews/ is one attempt, but it has nowhere near the dataset (duh) and the reviews are not directly visible on the map.

@tatann @igiIq Nope, they are not American based... They are based in the Netherlands. They are partially owned by an American Company though. I couldn't quickly find sources to what percentage.

@kuketzblog@social.tchncs.de Genau dieses... Auch mit dem ganzen Aufruhr um #Firefox die letzte Zeit. Ich glaube, dass die einfach nur wirklich, wirklich, WIRKLICH grottenschlecht mit der Formulierung umgegangen sind bzw. bestimmte für Kalifornien übliche Klauseln einbringen wollten.

Sag mal... was anderes: warum wird Vivaldi als einziger Europäischer Browser neben Mullvad kaum erwähnt?? Auch dort sagt man, sich Datenschutz und Privatsphäre auf die Fahnen zu schreiben und #nobigtech zu vertreten.

@Charger8232 Lists from #Alternativeto (which this is based on) are usually not very reliable and show information that just isn't correct on a service or often includes services that are not real Alternatives to what you were looking for in the first place. The only thing that helps against that is doing your own research.

To pick out one example (I don't have time to them all): they list #Posteo as being proprietary which just isn't correct. That company is as #opensource as they come.