how do we advance inclusion without discriminating for minorities (as apposed to the current systemic system discriminating against minorities)?
Here's a suggestion: invest more money in education and provide economic help to these under represented minorities so that they have a better chance of getting in without a handicap, seems like the obvious choice to me? rather than dumping down the process for their sake, why don't we try to get these minorities to increase their competency levels so that if they got in it was because they actually had the scores to do so and not because of the color of their skins?
If that worked, then we really wouldn't need affirmative action.
How about you actually try it before writing a wall of text trying to justify racism?
Sure, i agree that both are wrong, my other comments were geared towards the people who believe AA is justified somehow.
There's a non small number of people believe that in older to compensate minorities who suffered discrimination in the past, we should discriminate people today as a form of payment to these minorities, in other words, to apply racism but in favor of minorities, and the people who argue for this actually believe they have the moral high ground and that this is justifiable, when in reality they behave exactly as the racist of the past, just with a different motivation.
Yeah, i don't think you're well in the head if you actually believe this... so i'm going to say no.
Did you know 2 things can be wrong at the same time, meaning both AA and legacy admissions can be both wrong at the same time? meaning that even if they didn't turn down LA it doesn't mean turning down AA wasn't the right thing to do?
Shocking right!? that 2 things can be bad at the same time.
Lol, if your best argument against this ruling is "oh they only did because they racist because they didn't also do the other thing" that's how you know the ruling is correct, you aren't attacking the argument against AA, you're attacking the judges because they took a decision you didn't like
No one is denying that these things did happen, but the problem here is that your "solution" for systemic racism, is to apply systemic racism to other races in benefit of minorities, now if you want to argue "oh but we must do so because every bad thing that happened to these minorities!" then you aren't actually fighting to end systemic racism, what you actually want is to have that power for yourselves, you want to be able to discriminate and suffer no consequences for this, in other words, this is pretty much revenge for what happened back then.
Two wrongs don't make a right, if you support committing injustice just to compensate the victims of previous injustices, you're no different than the original criminal.
You people are hypocrites
Which is what affirmative action is meant to correct. Otherwise qualified applicants denied admission into universities because of their race.
Without affirmative action, you get state universities where the state population is something like 30% minority, and the population on campus is something like 1%, if that.
So your solution for racism to be racism yourselves and make these minorities the beneficiaries of it instead of getting rid of it, in order words, you replaced racism you didn't like, with racism you do like.
Hypocrite.
Oh so he's a bad human because he decided that race shouldn't be taken in account for college admissions? how racist of you
Thanks you for your concern, hope you have good grades though because AA is not going give you privileges anymore
Nothing i said was remotely racist, so thank you for confirming that you consider anyone who disagrees with your opinion as racists
I love this, as soon as the black guy makes an opinion that differs from what you liberals agree he's suddenly not a good black dude, what a bunch of hypocrites
As opposed to you who want a world that favors black people over other races? get down from your high horse, you don't want "equality" you want the privileges and powers you cry white people having for yourselves
Trying to create equitable outcomes for people who our great grandparents ripped from their home, deleted their cultural and familial history, tortured and raped them, bought and sold them as property, and forced them to work for free essentially at gunpoint, for generations, is not racism.
If you're using racism to achieve those outcomes, it is racism, discriminating Asians in favors of black for college admissions is racism, you can try to rationalize it however you want, but this was plain racism, the people that got discriminated by AA today don't and have never owned a black slave, the people who benefit from AA today are not and have never been slaves, i am sorry but they ancestors had it shitty, but that's not excuse to hurt people today just to pay some sort of moral debt.
Words have meaning. Pushing back against the results of 400 years of systemic oppression to try to create equitable outcomes is the opposite of racism.
No, you are not "pushing back", you are just replacing racism you don't like, with racism you do like while trying to appear to have the moral high ground, you are a hypocrite.
I didn't say "run you off the internet", i said "thinking he can shut up people off the internet"
Shutting people up off the internet and running people off the internet are 2 separated statements with different meanings.
Oh please companies don't give a flying fuck if their employees suffer, the only logical explanation for companies stopping being on board with the LGBTQ crowd is that the profits aren't big enough to be worth the trouble of supporting them.
Lol at this guy thinking he can shut up people off the internet