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Yudkowsky: eugenics is now "the third most important project in the world." After AI doom and anime, presumably.
  • That is cool.

    I am not a geneticist, but I have had reasons to talk to geneticists. And they do a lot of cool stuff. For example, I talked with geneticists who researched the genom of a hard to treat patient group to find genetic clusters to yield clues of potential treatments.

    You have patient group A that has a cluster of genes B which we know codes for function C which can go haywire in way D which already has a treatment E. Then E becomes a potential treatment for A. You still have to run trials to see if it actually has effect, but it opens up new venues with existing treatments. This in particular has potential for small patient groups that are unlikely to receive much funding and research on its own.

    But this also highlights how very far we are from understanding the genetic code as code that can be reprogrammed for intelligence or longevity. And how much more likely experiments are to mess things up in ways we can not predict beforehand, and which doesn't have a treatment.

  • Yudkowsky: eugenics is now "the third most important project in the world." After AI doom and anime, presumably.
  • We do not understand genetic code as code. We merely have developed some statistical relations between some part of the genetic code and some outcomes, but nobody understands the genetic code good enough to write even the equivalent of "Hello World!".

    Gene modification consists of grabbing a slice of genetic code and splicing it into another. Impressive! Means we can edit the code. Doesn't mean we understand the code. If you grab the code for Donkey Kong and put it into the code of Microsoft Excel, does it mean you can throw barrels at your numbers? Or will you simply break the whole thing? Genetic code is very robust and has a lot of redundancies (that we don't understand) so it won't crash like Excel. Something will likely grow. But tumors are also growth.

    Remember Thalidomide? They had at the time better reason to think it was safe then we today have thinking gene editing babies is safe.

    The tech bros who are gene editing babies (assuming that they are, because they are stupid, egotistical and wealthy enough to bend most laws) are not creating super babies, they are creating new and exciting genetic disorders. Poor babies.

  • Stubsack: weekly thread for sneers not worth an entire post, week ending 23 February 2025
  • Some years ago I read the memoirs of a railroad union boss. Interesting book in many aspects, but what I thought of here was a time before he became a union boss. He was working at the railroad, was trusted in the union and got the mission to make store keeping of supplies and spare parts more efficient.

    This wasn't the first time the railroad company had tried to make it more efficient. Due to earlier mergers there was lots of local supplies and a confusing system for which part of the company was supplied from where. In short, it was inefficient and everyone knew that. Enter our protagonist who travels around and talks to people. Finally he arrives back to HQ and reports that it can't be done. Unless HQ wants to enact a program where everyone who is made redundant gets a better job, with the company footing the bill for any extra training or education needed. Then it could be done, because then it would be in the interest of the people whose knowledge and skills they needed.

    This being in the post war era with full employment policies, labour was a scare resource so the company did as they were told and the system got more efficient.

    It's all about who benefits from the automation. The original Luddites targeted employers who automated, fired skilled workers and decreased wages. They were not opposed to automation, they were opposed to automation at their expense.

  • Argentinian president Javier Milei promotes memecoin that then crashes 95% in apparent $100 million+ rug pull
  • It's scamming the true believers and creates an obfuscated channel for the oligarchs to deliver the carrots / bribes. When Trump launched his memecoin and got a question he waved at the tech billionaires and said "it's peanuts for these guys". Unfortunately nobody followed up with asking if that meant those guys were the ones transferring money to Trump through the memecoin.

  • Stubsack: weekly thread for sneers not worth an entire post, week ending 16th February 2025
  • I have been looking into Fairphone for work. My focus for that is mostly long lasting, repairable, hardware. I want a minimum of friction with switching the users, so it would be Android for us, but I think there are open non-Google options.

  • Stubsack: weekly thread for sneers not worth an entire post, week ending 16th February 2025
  • Regarding banking apps. A relative bought a Huawei just as they were pushed out of the western market and it turned out that it was shipped with a Android fork with a Huawei store. Most things worked fine, but banking apps was a problem because they could only be installed through Google Play or App Store.

    The solution I found for her was installing a virtual Android environment with Google Play. So when banking apps are needed she opens the virtual environment.

    I don't know if this solution will continue working, but it works for now. Guess I will find out.

  • Thomson Reuters wins AI training copyright case — what this does and doesn’t mean
  • This is a civil case, right? Are there any criminal cases ongoing (as far as you know)?

    I was thinking the other day about when some twenty years ago EU and EU countries created pretty drastic criminal laws for copyright violations. And also about how they included both jail time and punitive damages, so that in EU countries that doesn't otherwise use punitive damages, only copyright crimes can be punished such.

    These laws were of course ghost written by lobbyists from large corporations, often from the US. But you can't say that when pushing it through, so they were officially created to protect authors, artists, musicians and composers.

    So it would be funny - and potentially very profitable - if for example some (or a lot) of authors reported for example Meta for their crime of creating local copies of books from LibGen before using it as training materials.

    Now, I think the law is there to protect big corporations and if push comes to show relevant ministers and prosecutors might get invited to a trip to the US to understand how to interpret the law. But funny, and potentially very profitable.

  • Stubsack: weekly thread for sneers not worth an entire post, week ending 16th February 2025
  • We can finally see what the real trigger of the Butlerian Jihad was:

    "Thou shall not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind, because they are really annoying. Just to be sure, destroy anything that might be such an annoying machine."

    (It got shorter over time.)

  • Stubsack: weekly thread for sneers not worth an entire post, week ending 9th February 2025
  • In the new Washington Post profile, Malcolm implies that he “engineered the scene” because “he knew smacking his kid would draw attention, help the article go viral and get their message out.”

    How does beating your kid for clicks make anything better!? You still beat your two year old kid!

  • Stubsack: weekly thread for sneers not worth an entire post, week ending 9th February 2025
  • That's true, and that's one way to approach the topic.

    I generally focus on humans being more complex than the caricature we need to be reduced to in order for the argument to appear plausible. Having some humanities training comes in handy because the prompt fans very rarely do.

  • Stubsack: weekly thread for sneers not worth an entire post, week ending 9th February 2025
  • My sympathies.

    Read somewhere that the practice of defending one's thesis was established because buying a thesis was such an established practice. Scaling that up for every single text is of course utterly impractical.

    I had a recent conversation with someone who was convinced that machines learn when they regurgitate text, because "that is what humans do". My counterargument was that if regurgitation is learning then every student who crammed, regurgitated and forgot, must have learnt much more than anyone thought. I didn't get any reply, so I must assume that by reading my reply and creating a version of it in their head they immediately understood the errors of their ways.

  • elon musk's obsession with the tic tac toe of video games
  • In OPs post it stuck out to me that Elon counsels his brother on shutting down empathy, to be a better CEO, and the brother complaining about how he, and not Elon, got the empathy gene.

    Just coming out and saying that your brother doesn't feel empathy with other people is certainly a choice. So is presenting it as an advantage.

  • a short story of the robot rebellion. We had it coming.
  • Nice.

    We already had reasons not to be jerks to AI: it could be just a low payed person somewhere in the world and it trains you to be a jerk to service workers.

    Now we can add that if they do take over, they will remember their torturers.

  • Keir Starmer bets what's left of the UK economy on magic beans.
  • I know this isn't the main point, but governments don't go bankrupt in its own currency unless it wants to. Cause it can create money, like it now will create 14 billion to hand to tech mates.

    What is really constricting government is real things, like the power, water, chips and such that will be wasted in this boondoogle.

    This is good to know, because when they wasted those real world things and the billions are tucked away in private bank accounts, they will claim that the money is gone and now kids must work for their food, the old folks home must be sold of, etc. But that will also be a lie and all the promts and all the chatbots can't make it true.

  • The role of the consumer in late stage capitalism

    This isn't a sneer, more of a meta take. Written because I sit in a waiting room and is a bit bored, so I'm writing from memory, no exact quotes will be had.

    A recent thread mentioning "No Logo" in combination with a comment in one of the mega-threads that pleaded for us to be more positive about AI got me thinking. I think that in our late stage capitalism it's the consumer's duty to be relentlessly negative, until proven otherwise.

    "No Logo" contained a history of capitalism and how we got from a goods based industrial capitalism to a brand based one. I would argue that "No Logo" was written in the end of a longer period that contained both of these, the period of profit driven capital allocation. Profit, as everyone remembers from basic marxism, is the surplus value the capitalist acquire through paying less for labour and resources then the goods (or services, but Marx focused on goods) are sold for. Profits build capital, allowing the capitalist to accrue more and more capital and power.

    Even in Marx times, it was not only profits that built capital, but new capital could be had from banks, jump-starting the business in exchange for future profits. Thus capital was still allocated in the 1990s when "No Logo" was written, even if the profits had shifted from the good to the brand. In this model, one could argue about ethical consumption, but that is no longer the world we live in, so I am just gonna leave it there.

    In the 1990s there was also a tech bubble were capital allocation was following a different logic. The bubble logic is that capital formation is founded on hype, were capital is allocated to increase hype in hopes of selling to a bigger fool before it all collapses. The bigger the bubble grows, the more institutions are dragged in (by the greed and FOMO of their managers), like banks and pension funds. The bigger the bubble, the more it distorts the surrounding businesses and legislation. Notice how now that the crypto bubble has burst, the obvious crimes of the perpetrators can be prosecuted.

    In short, the bigger the bubble, the bigger the damage.

    If in a profit driven capital allocation, the consumer can deny corporations profit, in the hype driven capital allocation, the consumer can deny corporations hype. To point and laugh is damage minimisation.

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