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Cool thanks for doing the effort post.

My (wildly optimistic by sneerclubbing standards) expectations for “LLM agents” is that people figure out how to use them as a “creative” component in more conventional bots and AI approaches

This was my feeling a bit how it was used basically in security fields already, with a less focus on the conventional bots/ai. Where they use the LLMs for some things still. But hard to spread fact from PR, and some of the things they say they do seem to be like it isn't a great fit for LLMs, esp considering what I heard from people who are not in the hype train. (The example coming to mind is using LLMs to standardize some sort of reporting/test writing, while I heard from somebody I trust who has seen people try that and had it fail as it couldn't keep a consistent standard).

I now wonder how that compares to earlier non-LLM AI attempts to create a bot that can play games in general. Used to hear bits of that kind of research every now and then but LLM/genAI has sucked the air out of the room.

Tante on the hype term 'agentic AI'

Know it was a blog, so I meant my post as a bit of a joke, as this isn't any proof of a general FT hate. (but like all jokes, it isn't just a full joke, as I have noticed that a lot of financial media like FT (there is also a dutch tv show for example) randomly can be a lot more pro 'leftwing' financial stances (I mean the more left-liberal/socdem ones, not full blown fully automated gay luxury space communism) than you would expect (This is also a bit of a blindspot for a lot of more online leftwingers).

That whole 'haters just like incomplete information' makes no sense btw. Amazing to get that out of people basically going 'we hate beff for x,y,z' (which I assume happens, as I don't keep up with this beff stuff, I don't like these 'e/acc' people).

Sorry, I have not kept up with the guy, and that is why I made the silly joke. Thanks for pointing out what actually happened. And hey, at least star citizen is still trying to chug along (despite my own reservations. feels weird to agree with Smart), so those non-nft pictures of spaceships will prob outlive the nfts.

Being very mad about starcitizen.

People might not be aware but places like FT seem to really dislike the techbro people

Yeah thats Derek allright, the man has a bit of a reputation for being argumentative and opinionated. And well with his extensive resume ( he made Battlecruiser 3000AD in 96) he has the right to speak on things, and we should be silent, listen and be in awe of the wisdom he bestows upon us. A living Prometheus, slowly back away, do not make eye contact or he will start a flamewar.

Ah so that is good news, worried it might be offline due to legal troubles, but it is technical troubles. Thanks for all your (and everybody else involved) service an all that.

it was written in latex

Of course it was. (I enjoy LaTeX myself but still, it is a type of person)

on how trying to make programming languages easier in some ways is doomed to fail

This is prob right, but the 'in some ways' part does a lot of work here. Think the issue is that some complexity can be removed without problem, and some absolutely cannot. And the problem of figuring out which is which is hard. (Which if you squint, seems to be similar to the chemistry stuff you describe here). With software it (as far as I can tell) is also quickly that bigger projects need bigger teams, and that adds a lot of communication problems, and as a non-stacking process you can't just add more programmers to make stuff go faster (compared to for example building a building, which can be sped up a lot more with just more workers) as these communication problems remain. From what I heard is that this, and the problem of maintaining software on a large scale is what Java was trying to fix. Which is why all programmers love Java. It is a language for enterprise scale projects. (On that note, which is also why a lot of reason people hate Java for the wrong reasons, a lot of the hated stuff makes sense if you recall it is made for enterprise scale projects/teams etc. It is an attempt to make those projects easier (lets leave it in the middle if that attempt worked or not (Do think it is amusing that Minecraft of all things was coded in Java by a single person (initially))).

Interesting our community seems to attract a few outspoken chemistry people. Not something I know much about, know somebody who does something with crystal chemistry machines, and when he technically talks about it I'm happy I understand about 30% :).

I'm sorry why did you make the robot so sexy?

looks up from recording my new mathematically speaking 'a podcast for the new thinking man' podcast

A phew, I was worried for a moment there.

E: Apologies, it is real I should have googled it. I know nothing of the podcast, I just tried to make a 'this is what a Rationalist/logic bro would name their podcast' joke. Ow god he even has an episode about conflict theory (but in contrast to Scotts post on conflict theory he actually talks about a historical mathematician so not the same thing, but that was a moment of double take). There is also an Adam Allred who is a 'masculinty speaker' or something, who is also into AI, Maga and everything else of course, but not sure if they are the same person (nope different people, turns out if you are called Adam Allred you are forced to make a podcast). But the math podcast Adam seems to be a good guy who is pro lgbt/BLM etc. (He did get his twitter account hacked which is now spamming people).

Unrelated to my recent posts on sciencefiction, and not sure if this is something I should ask here publically but it is the easiest place I could think off. But @dgerard@awful.systems is Rationalwiki dead or not?

That is a bit weird, as iirc the robots in star wars are not based on LLMs, the robots in SWs can think, and can be sentient beings but are often explicitly limited. (And according to Lucas this was somewhat intentional to show that people should be treated equally (if this was the initial intent is unclear as Lucas does change his mind a bit from time to time), the treatment of robots as slaves in SW is considered bad). What a misreading of the universe and the point. Also time flows the other way folks, LLMs didn't influence the creation of robots in SWs.

Also if the droids were LLMs, nobody would use them to plot hyperspace lanes past stars. Somebody could send a message about Star Engorgement and block hyperspace travel for weeks.

But yes, the backlash is going to be real.

E: ow god im really in a 'take science fiction too seriously' period. (more SW droids are not LLMs stuff)

At least Maria has a name, and a face.

Sex sells obv. On the note of weird a bit out of place female-coded robots (for who I will be using she/her pronouns out of convenience). I'm still confused why rebel moon on netflix gets promoted with this image.

(also note this female coded robot has no face, but does have nipples (who does she think she is? Batman?)). Considering she is only in the 'people who visit prostitutes are disgusting' bar scene with the sexual harassing gay guy, she then walks outside in a weird catwalk like walk (she is in the background in other scenes where she acts normally) and then disappears. (What is it with Snyder being weird about sex workers (weird fetishization and some weird madonna whore like complex) and gay people (see the weird scene in the dawn of the dead remake), and making queer coded people evil/ugly (See the persians in 300 and the badguy of rebel moon is a monsterfucker)?)

Sorry for the derail, but I'm shown this image every time I open netflix and it always weirds me out (it gets worse in a way, as Zack created an expansive star wars like universe and everybody has an backstory which people all put into wikis and stuff, and I don't think this robot even has a name or backstory. Even the robot bartender with the candles has a backstory). I also have so many complaints about this movie I could talk about this for hours I think, it is amazing esp as the directors cut makes the movies worse (spaceships are powered by enslaved naked sentient giant women what? And of course the power usage also physically hurts them (and why, none of the other ships have a crying giant woman but they can travel intergalactic distances). Coal powered spaceships now replaced by bone powered spaceships, using pets as suicide bombs? Why does Zack think, seedy guy from bar is actually a seedy guy is subversive, esp as Solo (released 5 years earlier) already did this to show Han Solo is an exception, and you are making the 'edgy' version? I could go on).

But yes, think the pivot image is pretty tame.

it’s not like any of you read him regularly

Of course not he is a capitalist pigdog! A traitor to the cause! Bla bla. ;)

I posted his work here before, despite thinking he isnt totally correct about his stance on capitalism stuff. He seems to be a good source on the whole medical chemistry science field. And quite skeptical and hype resistance. (Prob also why he I could make de self deprecating joke above). He wrote also negatively about the hackers who do homemade meds thing.

Promptfondlers

(I know im using the clip here to mock the AI-bros but I actually think the video while a bit cringe is also really touching and genuine, like hope the guy still loves the sport as much as he did then, and gets as much from it. (And the story gets even more touching when you read more about it).