Soyweiser @ Soyweiser @awful.systems

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Now I’m honestly surprised I can’t find Gerez getting into NFTs.

haha, yes makes you wonder. That kind of scam prob is safer to do under a fake name, so wouldn't be surprised if it was revealed she did.

Thanks for the info, will link this comment on reddit as well. Edited both posts, and yeah I just knew of both book/game projects and was going via that, used the humble link first that is why WCK came out on top and not UNRWA.

Gonna repost a bit from comment I left on reddit:

Read swlabrs reply first btw.

Anyway, something useful perhaps, the World Central Kitchen seems to help out with the famine so donating to them might be useful, see comment below. Donate to the UNRWA organisation instead. Not comfortable donating on a link provided by a random user (smart!), or want something to show for your donation, the current Humble book bundle is donating to the WCK (do not forget to adjust the sliders) and you get a nice collection of Martha Wells books (The Murderbot saga is great). Or buy the play for peace bundle which is donating to the UNRWA USA, and get a shitton of games and other stuff. (All links are affiliate free from my end, I know there is a system setup for Humble stuff, but I don't use that).

E: buying the last one is also a fun way to boost yourself into Spiders Georg levels of video game ownership. So you could do it for that joke alone. Just to claim you own ~300 videogames.

While this is close to 'look at what you made me do territory'. We would sneer a lot less at him if he didn't blame us for everything. 'people who sneer made covid worse' (not the direct quote) for example was just silly, and if you look at the reaction of sneerclub at the time also not in the realm of reality. (But yes he will just say he said sneer by which he didn't mean sneerclub but people like us in general. Which is obv not a thing I fully agree with, but good motte/bailey).

It also is interesting, as Scott compared to the others we sneer at never really seems to break containment so to speak. I have seen people talk about Aella on bsky for example, Scott Alexander, Eliezer, lesswrong, EA, etc all come up. But Scott almost never does. (Yes, the 'untitled' affair was public, but that was a decade ago, and 6 months before r/sneerclub was created (and long before I joined) and also the whole broaden influence thing as you mentioned). And after all why should he, he is just a random professor, the only reason he is relevant for the broader picture is that he agrees with the AI doom stuff, and he gives the LW people some level of prestige (the only times I have brought him up is because he confirmed that Yarvin spends time personally emailing prestigious people like him but that is about Moldy). He is prob the only one whos sneering is just contained to sneerclub/awful.systems (which is why he should stop reading sc, he prob should also ignore more blog comments and emails (block Yarvin's email Scott, do it!)).

you’re living in a cyberpunk novel

A hyperreal simulacrum!

And I don't think it is bad to setup things that you like, like the google voice thing. It sounds fun (this is what tech should do dammit, and it could do it, no need to make it less reliable, more unethical, and more planet wrecking). Don't think you should feel bad about that tbh. And I don't think it that google betrayed its assistant, it is more google betrays its users and the people who create these smaller programs. See how they treated google reader, or wave, or plus or everything which doesn't gather a large enough userbase for them to just let it simmer on, on maintenance. While I don't think you should feel compassion for the program, the other users and the people developing this (or who have developed this) are real, and it sucks for them to see this creation be tossed away.

Not that feeling compassion for inanimate things isn't completely normal. Don't think you should feel bad about that either as long as you get on some level it is silly and don't try to marry your computer (and even then, if people are happy and not hurting anybody it overwrites almost all concerns I have). So yeah, the erring seems like a good conclusion. Even if I don't share it myself at times, and can be mean to inanimate objects/chatbots (I really hope that 'how can we help you' chatprompt after my dad got scammed was a chatbot, and not somebody being held hostage in Asia), I'm sympathetic to people saying how you treat those objects is also how you will eventually treat people you feel are below you. (or even the silly 'If machines become sentient that is how you would treat them' stuff. I don't believe in the IF yet, but it is a thing to keep in mind, see also how we treat animals).

Sidenote: Totally forgot Ellis existed, had really hoped he would be able to mend the problems he had caused, but when I checked how that ended up (a while back) seems he didn't keep to their promises and the women had given up on him.

Eliezer came from the extropian newsgroups/mailinglists iirc. So it is quite connected.

Not worthy of a third post imho, but Scott made the trilogy post: https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=9108 where he is subtlety walking back his insane, proudly kid killing claim to the more reasonable, Israel needs to defeat hamas, claim.

For a man angry about his detractors being intellectually dishonest(), this is very typical:

Incredibly, commenters on Peter Woit’s blog then blamed me for this antisemitic image, mistakenly imagining that I’d created it myself, and then used their false assumption as further proof of my mental illness

For context, it was an AI slop image, and he named it after Woit, and didn't provide any details from the email itself. While the whole affair is quite a good reason to at least put this persons name/email out there imho.

But also:

I’m even grateful, in a way, to SneerClub, and to Woit and his minions. I’m grateful to them for so dramatically confirming that I’m not delusional: some portion of the world really is out to get me. I probably overestimated their power, but not their malevolence. [...]

His ability to lack self-awareness and reading skills remains bad. The power thing was partially in his first blogpost already, where he realized the 'manhaters' were just a small group. And the latter makes no sense unless you hold the random cartoon guy (who nobody here or at Woit expressed support for) as the consensus, and actual sc people, or fans of Peter.

The last part is just nuts, whole bit of Rationalization why he is actually justified, and will change the world. Not realizing everyone was horrified because he created a thought experiment to justify a genocide:

Reading the SneerClubbers’ armchair diagnoses of my severe mental illness, paranoia, persecution complex, grandiosity, etc. etc. I had the following thought, paraphrasing Shaw:

Yes, they’re absolutely right that psychologically well-adjusted people generally do figure out how to adapt themselves to the reigning morality of their social environment—as indicated by the Asch conformity test, the Milgram electric-shock experiment, and the other classics of social psychology.

It takes someone psychologically troubled, in one way or another, to persist in trying to adapt the reigning morality of their social environment to themselves.

If so, however, this suggests that all the moral progress of humanity depends on psychologically troubled people—a realization for which I’m deeply grateful.

this bit opens up so much questions, remarks and is just silly in some ways. Yes people who are dissatisfied will push for change, why is this a revelation? But do they have the power? Is it justified? Jared Taylor() also pushes for a changed morality system, but I wouldn't consider that desirable. It also leaves out that people will push for change because they just want to profit from it. Which is likely a lot bigger driver of change see the libertarian ls pushing for less regulations, because the dumb and distracted deserve to be scammed.

Anyway we got called out twice!

: a white nationalist piece of shit who from what I heard is notable because compared to his peers he isnt a raging anti-Semite. At least not openly. : Edit: as nobody mentioned the whole 'Peter is intellectually dishonest' affair, I have to say one thing. Peter is imho not intellectually dishonest for leaving out that the people who tie their children on the traintrack could stop at any time. The people who don't mention this just don't think it is a convincing argument. Yes people who take hostages could release the hostages at any time, still no reason to shoot through the hostages. Derail the trolley! The way Russia dealt with the Opera hostage crisis was considered bad for a reason (I hope I don't have to point out that the hostage takers also were in the wrong here). Forgot who it was who mentioned it here, but the whole 'I would be glad to not flip the switch' is one of the fucked up parts, it would scar people for life to make that choice.

Another edit: While thinking I realized the whole disgusting email thing is also partially due to the asshole filter effect of Scott closing his comments (which was smart tbh, he just should have told the people emailing him to fuck off): https://siderea.dreamwidth.org/1209794.html. Left a hopefully thoughtful comment (I looked at it just from the comments closing aspect and not with the further conflict in mind, as I have not begun to think about that, and don't want to think about it in context of what Scott wrote in his first blog post) about this on Peters blog. Not sure if he will let it through the moderation (and it is fine if he doesn't, and I doubt he will as he seemingly just closed the comments and went on vacation, have a good one Peter, apologies that your blog became a battleground over this). But I thought the concept was important enough as an idea to share, and also explains why you get the more shitty people to try and react when you go 'please don't react to here'. A thing we should also be aware of how the drive by commenters (which was worse on reddit) tend to be the sediment of the crop.

Indeed great piece, good to document the older history of that stuff as well.

Lol, lmao said the Thiel

Steelmanning is great. We can say whatever we want against them, and when they then get mad we can just go 'well you didn't properly steelman my argument', and have them spin around in circles while we do something important, like chores in the house.

Out: 'getting paid in exposure'

In: 'when you are done, just send your invoice to chatgpt'

Such sofisticated methods, and then they drop crypto miners.

Yeah same. According to Scott it was a 'Peter fan', so doubt it was somebody from here.

E: Somebody claiming to be the cartoon person posted on Peters blog, and it was an weird rant from somebody either a fool, or just making stuff up. Seems to also pretend they didn't know it was anti-Semitic because they just wanted to mock stereotypical orthodox Jews (??). Fuck that guy.

No somebody else. Hyperreal simulacrum is a bit of a different concept I think. Because that supersedes reality, this is just a weird sort of nostalgia.

He named the file after Woit, so either he was trying to be cute re naming, or he made this himself. Which is a wtf discovery. No idea why he doesnt just show emails.

The naming itself is already hitting the libel part. Imho.

E: he reacted on peters blog, scott named it, but it came from an email (and he calls the emailer "peters fan").

People sending him anti-Semitism (or talking about him using anti-Semitic language is fucked up, saw people do that sadly). Really hope nobody here did that.

Still dehumanizing people he disagrees with. And refusing to understand the people he disagrees with. (But he could have made those points without calling others zombies, or do a weird 'arabs dont get western freedom' bit).

And I dont get why he thinks we are allied with re random piece of shit in Lebanon because we said his trolley problem thought experiment is fucked up, and that the genocide in gaza should stop. (Also the annexation of the west bank).

You can be against different groups of assholes at the same time. The guy is splitting so hard.

E: the whole 'I hope they will grow up from this from the necessary devastation()' bit haunts me. He doesn't seem to get that the US put a lot of effort into rebuilding those countries. Which with stances like his is not something that is going to happen. (Also, see the west bank, Palestinians will likely not trust these efforts). It also took a long long time for the hatred to die down in Europe but esp the hatred from others towards Germans. (For a long while driving a car with German numberplates in The Netherlands was a risk as randomly people would cut you off, and my grandfather, who now is dead, mostly called German people by their WW2 slur, it took that generation mostly passing away for that to lessen sadly. At least these are my experiences and what I heard). I'm reminded of A.R. Moxons line: 'if you want to be friends, why aren't you friendly'(). Unrelated, I'm also reminded of this post: https://forward.com/opinion/415250/from-the-river-to-the-sea-doesnt-mean-what-you-think-it-means/

: I know it is not a thing people agree upon, but I think a lot of the devastation of the civilian infrastructure in ww2 was not necessary at all. It seems to be agreed upon that terror bombing actually has to opposite effect.

: A similar thing could be said of the Hamas/Hezbolla people, but we in the west here do not support those groups.

Yeah sadly my knowledge of recent research on complexity classes is almost non-existent and before that I was not the greatest at it in university.

Yep Feynman is one of those 'it is ok to like him, but if you love him, oh no' types. (went back and checked, if it was the person whos comments jumped out at me as 'eurgh' and indeed).

(And a big indication somebody is having some really disgustingly racist thoughts about people in Pakistan is when they bring up the birth rates. Seems to be a guarantee. People really hate the Palestinians for having kids, and see that as some sort of indication that it isn't that bad what everybody is going through).

I must admit I stole that partially from somebody else who mentioned the idea. Which also had me go 'indeed, that is a good word'