Yeah, and a side effect of refuting gosh gallop, if you even can, is that you end up wasting your time on the floor instead of discussing your points.

I firmly believe you have identified the correct answer.

A lot of other song suggestions in this thread are actually decent and come down to taste, but this fucking song came to mind immediately.

I couldn't stomach watching that first debate, so I wasn't sure if you were messing around.

You were not: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUtVNEl9aJE

Someone's taking the piss out of it on google, got a laugh

That reminds me of the Obama/Romney debate

Yeah, definitely a double standard on mic control. Any time he opened his mouth they turned his mic on, she tried once and they did a hard pass. Hell, even while they refuted his dog eating claims his mic was on talking over the moderator.

And that's because all of the media loves Trump. They have a bias, sure, but they know the crazy shit he says sells views/headlines and that's their business, informing the public is a byproduct.

I hate to agree but I don't think you're wrong, and accept the down votes in advance. She did some things well though, the trolling on rallies was actually her sneakiest trick to rattle him. I think she could've performed better but maybe she learned some lessons for a second debate.

Overall I think there was a double standard on mic control, whenever he wanted to talk they let him. He even got to speak during fact checks, what the fuck is that? On the flip side, they didn't unmute her on rebuttals and he made a point to tell her to shut up if she spoke over him.

Maybe, but in addition it's like a social fabric/contract. I don't want carts everywhere dinging my car up or taking up spaces and because no one else wants that either we all (most of us) tacitly accept to return carts to avoid this problem.

Apparently his father was a pretty cool guy, advocated for civil rights by refusing to play in cities with segregation.

FWIW I didn't down vote you, but I don't think all malice is equal. Driving with a heart condition or narcolepsy and killing someone isn't the same as driving through a crowd to get revenge.

Looked it up, referring to this?

Churchill’s policies to blame for millions of Indian famine deaths, study says

I think the major difference here is malice. Did Churchill set out cause these deaths or was it greed and/or stupidity? Honest question worth discussion, I haven't heard of this prior.

I don't normally reply with something so blunt but this is a pretty shitty comment. This kind of half speak rhetoric is a major issue causing misinformation and its usage is far too pervasive.

And I'm not even saying you're wrong but if you want to prove the point the burden is on you.

Yeah, might be cliche but I agree. The soldier buried here can't speak for their position, leave them to rest.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop

Generally, it is more difficult to use the Gish gallop in a structured debate than a free-form one.

This sums it up nicely, and why I think he's like any bully: he picks his fights and only ones he can win.

Have to say, that is a pretty clean first layer, kudos!

You have the moral high ground, I concede.

And you yourself have not been guilty of seething? Regardless of your answer a conservative would likely say the same about the left as you just did.

I'm just suggesting everyone enjoys rage bait and it's not serving us or giving us a realistic picture of the truth. And I used a proverbial analog for the villain: fill in the blanks to your hearts content from context (landlords raising prices, food producers and shrinkflation, CEOs taking bonuses and fighting minimum wage increases).

It's grounding to read that baity title because the majority of articles we see are that "conservatives are [upset/angry/etc] about [event]" but they're likely no more upset than we would be about seeing this....

It's all manufactured rage and we're all victims. The real villain is the distraction/smoke show that keeps us at each other's throats.

I would argue they were just better at hiding the same type of shit these modern politicians are thinking and saying. Now it's just acceptable. Then you had Howard Dean dooming himself for a cowboy scream.

Harris should hold a town hall at the exact same time....