The UK government apparently thinks that Palestine action is a much bigger threat than the anti vaxxers, but that isn't really the point. Why don't you just admit that you are an authoritarian and you only care about authoritarianism when it's used against you and your preferred causes?

Dang I gotta really spell it out for you. The government makes classifications of crimes that can be applied and then used to shut down speech that they don't like. That is what they did with the anti vaxxers and that is also what they've done with Palestine action. If you allow them to use tools like this, then eventually they will use it against something you believe in. Public nuisance is a whole lot less serious of a crime compared to terrorism, but the end result, or the goal anyway, is the same; shut down people who give voice and advertise causes they believe in if the government doesn't like them. Additionally, these tools of the government change hands as the parties in power change. Authoritarianism is dangerous no matter who it is used against and needs to constantly kept in check or eventually it will be used against you.

What do you mean? The UK has had a list of terrorists for a long time and if you support them then you can be arrested. "These laws have always been on the books."

My goal is to raise my kids to be productive members of society and to be happy and better off than I am, including planning for their retirement so as not to be a burden on others. If I rely on my kids to take care of me, then that undermines the message of self reliance that I want to teach. On the other hand, if I fall on hard times or health issues or whatever, then I hope that they care enough about me and that I've instilled in them values of charity, empathy and so on such that they would want to care for me.

Yes that is the very problematic and dangerous mechanism by which they stifle free speech, and you won't care until Palestine action people are similarly charged. Which is my entire point.

Yes, they also expressed those views...

I was asking if he thought they should

Yeah? Do you think that should be punishable with jail time?

here you go

these guys got arrested, but not sure if they served jail time.

It started during covid, but nobody cared because the people being locked up were anti vaxxers. It didn't stop there. It never does.

Not sure I follow. He did say Shylock right? Clearly referring to the Shakespeare character? What else could he have been referring to? Or is Shylock somehow associated with Jews otherwise?

That's kind of weak... He's obviously comparing them to the character of Shylock, and the fact that he's Jewish is more of a criticism of Shakespeare being antisemitic. Trump might be antisemitic, but this isn't a very good example.

Well in that case there probably isn't a single nation ever that should be proud.

Whose was it? At what point in history was ownership established and why was it not the previously displaced people's instead? How long does it take to establish ownership, and what means are justified to do so? Who exactly is the United States anyway?

Well that wasn't really the question. But actually I met her when we were both pretty young so I don't recall it being much of an issue. We probably talked about kid stuff.

It's not small talk, because i actually care how my wife's day was.

It sounded like maybe you were secretly happy about the murders, or sympathized a little bit. If not, that's my mistake and I apologize.

I'm addressing the victim blaming apologists in this thread. If that isn't you then carry on.

Free speech means being able to say and support things you believe in without the threat of being murdered for it. Any sympathy for the murderer undermines free speech and democratic society. This is not complicated...