Bank of Canada raises its interest rate to 5%
Bank of Canada raises its interest rate to 5%
I'm sure there's an argument to be made about not buying things you can't afford, but looking at the graph in that article, people are going to get fucked on mortgage renewals. Anyone that locked in for 3/4/5 years are going to be renewing between now and the next couple of years and going from BOC rate of 0.25% to 5% or more is going to hurt.
Someone I know is looking at renewing their mortgage in the next couple of months and they're already looking at a jump from 3% to >6%.
Haha, I’m in danger!
In 2020 I locked in at 1.79%. 2025 is going to be about a 1.5k mortage payment hike if things stay the same. Luckily I moved to a cheaper area and reduced my mortage and will be paying extra for the next 2 years. Even with all that this is gonna hurt!
I renew next August
RIP me.
I'm sure there's an argument to be made about not buying things you can't afford
There is. Taking on a mortgage is a huge risk. Looking at historic rates and saying "can I afford this when rates return to normal?" is important.
The scary part is that OFSI and the feds had to restrain both borrowers and banks by requiring the mortgage stress test is worrying.
I get that some individuals aren't going to stay within their means, but everyone? And banks too?
That's just it. I'm paranoid, so I actually sat down and tried to figure out what would make me go bust, when we bought. It's always a risk, like you can't anticipate turns in health, job losses and sudden poorly timed housing market crashes. You just can't help that sort of stuff, other than saving saving saving. The problem with savings though, is savers have been absolutely punished in this country the last 20 years. High banking fees, super low to no interest earned on savings and erosion due to background inflation have eroded anyone's interest in saving money. But then these government and public sector folks have the gall to turn around and dare ask us why no one's saves. Like absolutely go fuck yourselves. The government and the bankers (usually these people are the same) have been fully complicit in causing this situation we are currently in. Their so called regulation is usually far too late, and far too watered down to have any effect.
Anyways I'm a saver nevertheless, so I'm fine for awhile. We also bought well below our means, we got lucky with timing and got in at a good time in our local market. With our current earnings, our mortgage isn't even 2x our annual HH income. It's actually barely even 1x. So that means we can take some heat, like I figure I'm good until somewhere in the high 30% interest range, before it starts to become a problem. The yield curve was upside down when we took out our mortgage, so variable mortgages weren't really on the table anyways, but I still would never have taken one. The past 20 years, they've been the winning strategy too, but one just has to know that this can't last forever. It's getting pretty stupid. But again, everyone's been complicit in absolutely pummeling people with conservative financial stances, and whelp, here we are.
Everyone who is currently about to fail to stay afloat passed those stress tests. Staying "within your means" is entirely relative to the borrowing environment. There's no reason to gloat. You won't win in this scenario -only cash-flush corporations that can swoop in and convert housing to rentals.
Yep. It's like this is specifically targeting people who could finally fucking afford to buy homes in their thirties and jumped on it before it was too late. (I know it isn't actively malicious, but the effects down the line - and let's just throw in https://lemmy.ca/post/1338829 while we're at it - are going to be horrendous).
Fml. That’s me!
Me too thanks.
I guess I'm gonna have to pay off as much as I can before the renewal hits.
It was sort of obvious it was too good to last though. When it made sense to pay off your mortgage as slowly as possible because you expected better returns investing that money it means that something is probably wrong.
RIP in peace 😔
Corporate investors can't wait for you to default on your mortgage! They can scoop up all these discounted properties and rent it back to you.
The UK has gone through something like this. I went from 2% to 5% earlier this year.
We're having the exact same issue in the UK. Plus the price of energy pretty much quadrupled.
The era of cheap debt had to come to an end, and before the pandemic the BoE had a plan to gradually raise rates over a 5 year period. Then COVID happened and they dropped rates even lower than they had been before! So rather than a gradual end to the cheap debt era we've shoved our foot on the accelerator and gone straight into the wall. With no airbag or seatbelt.
I wonder if home insurance claims are also increasing?
Why would they be increasing? The insurance company rebuilds the house as it was before, they don't pay you cash.
I think that's the intent right? How else are property values going to stop skyrocketing if no one is under any sell pressure?
Creating sell pressure is a tiny part of the solution. The real problem is supply. We need 10x the current build rate. Zoning laws, out dated transport infrastructure and greedy developers will ensure this remains a decades long problem.
Reminder that it's actually good to have an appreciable interest rate should a recession ever come. That was pretty sketchy during the '10s, if another big bank had gone belly up there would have been no way to juice the markets.
It super sucks if you have floating rate debt, though.
I really don't get this at all.
On one hand, I get that inflation is just the expression of the supply/demand curve and that increasing interest rates makes it more expensive to borrow money and therefore lessens demand and should, theoretically drop inflation.
But...
Anyone with half a brain knows that this round of inflation wasn't caused by overheated demand. It was driven by supply chain issues caused by the pandemic, avian flu, climate change and the Ukraine war. The price of oil alone drove much of the inflation numbers, both directly and indirectly by increasing the cost of production and shipping of other goods.
Does anyone at the BOC seriously think that 10%+ inflation in groceries was caused by overheated demand? Do they seriously think that people should be buying less food to lower grocery demand and reduce prices? Do they think that people will?
Does anyone think that the 6-12 month waits for a new car that are typical now is because gazillions of people are suddenly wanting to buy all at the same time? OK, there probably is pent up demand due to the fact that virtually no new cars were available during the pandemic, and lots of people want EV cars now, but the truth is that availability is way down compared to pre-pandemic times.
I see talking heads from the finance sector on TV all the time saying stuff like, "We need to tame an overheated economy...". DO WE? And then claiming that the interest rate hikes are working because inflation has come down. Yeah, right. Far more likely is that the supply chain issues are getting resolved, and supplies are increasing.
The truth is that the BOC has only one knob that they can turn, and that's the interest rates. So they're going to turn it. And the prevailing wisdom says that it takes close to 18 months for interest rates hikes to have an impact. So the downturn in inflation that started at the beginning of the year has virtually NOTHING to do with the big jump in rates that happened last spring.
As to that 18 month lag, it's probably even longer this time around because of the mortgage situation in Canada. Those people with huge mortgages have, to large degree, 5 year terms. So a comparatively small number of those people have had to renew under the new rates. And even if rates start to come back down next year, we're still going to see an increasing proportion of those mortgagees get hit with huge increases to their payments. And that's going to suck money out of the economy - big time. Are those people already tightening their belts, before they renew? Probably to some extent, but there's nothing like seeing an extra $2K-3K come out of your bank account each month to make it real.
Certainly some of inflation is caused by a decade of rock bottom rates. Our real estate bubble is probably partially caused by this
Ultimately, the BOC has a mandate to fight inflation, and very few levers to use. They cannot fix the supply chain issues, but they can quash demand, so that is what they will do
but they can quash demand
Can they? The BoC putting a higher price on money hasn't scared people off at all. In fact, it is what is now driving inflation.
The mortgage interest cost index (+29.9%) remained the largest contributor to the year-over-year CPI increase. Excluding mortgage interest cost, the CPI rose 2.5% in May
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/230627/dq230627a-eng.htm?indid=3665-1&indgeo=0
When your only tool is a hammer then everything is a nail.
I think this is the issue we are seeing aroumd the world now: central banks have the mission to keep inflation around 2% and the only tool the have is the amount of money they are creating, aka the interest rate.
So even if inflation is caused by external factors the central banks are still trying to bring it down to 2% by using the only tool they have.
are still trying to bring it down to 2% by using the only tool they have.
Funny thing is that inflation is, excluding mortgage costs, 2.5% YoY, which is within the target range. The tool they are wielding is specifically what is causing high inflation.
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The Bank of Canada raised its benchmark interest rate by 25 basis points on Wednesday, marking the first time since April 2001 that the figure hit five per cent. Some of the country's biggest lenders, including the Royal Bank of Canada, CIBC, Bank of Montreal and TD Bank, have already announced that they will match their increase effective Thursday to align with that of the central bank's. Could be mid-2025 before bank hits inflation target Wednesday's rate hike marks the 10th by the central bank since March 2022. During a mid-morning news conference on Wednesday, Bank of Canada governor Tiff Macklem said the bank expects inflation to ease but that it could take until the middle of 2025 to hit its two per cent target. "We've been clear about the indicators we are watching, and it's clearly too early to be talking about interest rate cuts," Macklem said, adding it's also too soon to tell how much impact the rate increases are having. Having started on a fixed mortgage, she switched to a new bank and took on a variable rate about a year-and-a-half ago - before the Bank of Canada began its quest to tame an overheated economy with a series of interest rate hikes. Bonnal questioned why the bank would continue to raise interest rates when inflation is close to its target range - and given that the impact of rate hikes can sometimes take more than a year to appear in the economy.
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I'm a little confused on the BoC's decision-making here. Don't interest rate changes take ~12 months to permeate the market? It's like these rate changes are being fired from a machine gun, won't this lead to an over-correction in achieving inflation targets?
BoC is helping rich people and corporations with their wealth transfer as regular people who bought in the last 3 years will be forced to sell their house to someone else so they can rent it at a higher price than their mortgage was while losing their asset.
Please start to get loud about this.
Especially when you consider that interest costs are what is now driving inflation:
The mortgage interest cost index (+29.9%) remained the largest contributor to the year-over-year CPI increase. Excluding mortgage interest cost, the CPI rose 2.5% in May
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/230627/dq230627a-eng.htm?indid=3665-1&indgeo=0
Overall I feel that's their idea. Aggressive rate hikes in quick succession slows down the red hot economy quickly, but also creates an air of uncertainty. This causes corporations to panic and start thinking about pausing promotions and even begin layoffs. And we all know, the best way to reduce inflation and slow down an economy is to have more unemployed and poor people. The government knows that as long as companies keep paying people a lot of money, people gonna a keep buying shit.
When the BoC kept rates steady, indicators (such as housing price) started inflating again. I think their concern is that the leading indicators (e.g. job growth and employment) haven't started to fall.
Most of the media I've seen says it takes 12-18 months for the effects of interest rate changes to kick in. So yeah, it seems rapid fire.
Buckle up as we're in for a ride. Thankfully this will only impact those who bought in the last 5~ years. Pricing before then was much more reasonable and should be able to absorbed.
Yup. I bought during the slight slump in 2019 and intentionally cheaper than I could afford so I'm still alright. Some folks I know bought at the peak 21-22 and spent all they got on mortgages under 1.5%. I don't dare ask how they're doing.
I’m concerned the BoC is eating gummies for the first time. Me thinks they should increase lead times with each subsequent rate hike, lest the compound impact hits all at once, which it already will. I’m wondering if this is all going to slam into a wall, forcing them to rapidly and dramatically slash rates.
Diamond hands on variable rate hoping for exactly this to happen so I can lock in when they do slash lol
Godspeed to you - I hope you're not feeling regarded in a couple of years
I want to get off Mr. Macklem's wild ride
Remember this expert said it was transiatory inflation. Nothing to be worried about. 3.5 bump later and likely more to come.
No idea how he gets to keep his job. I would be sent out the fucking door if I got something so wrong.
This is gonna be painful
https://www.rbcroyalbank.com/rates/prime.html
RBC has increased their prime rate to 7.2%; was 6.7% in May
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